DIY - Your first time

[Necris]

edging closer to what im looking for

 

[WHITELABEL]

That's a ton of menthol and koolada, I don't ever go over 2 or 3% and even that is too much for me fresh.

 

[WHeunis]

That's a ton of menthol and koolada, I don't ever go over 2 or 3% and even that is too much for me fresh.

Koolada I always do 5% minimum (works out to the recommended 1 drop per ml).
Menthol it depends if i'm using it as a primary or secondary flavour...
Especially against weaker flavours like strawberry; Gotta be real gentle with it then; but otherwise as a primary, 5% is as low as I go...

 

[Derick]

Menthol can be a funny thing and yep EM will definitely mute it - but 2% should definitely give you something - I generally use around 3% and it leaves me with a fresh mouth for a good 20 minutes after a vape session.

Is the menthol mix ok?

 

[Necris]

That's a ton of menthol and koolada, I don't ever go over 2 or 3% and even that is too much for me fresh.

Im attempting to replicate frostbite as a base for menthol fruit ice mixes.
Frostbite cools on inhale and exhale.have now managed to get somewhere close to the menthol and icy levels required on exhale...but there is more too this flavour.menthol gives inhale cold,koolada throat
Purposefully have added no EM this time round.
I eventually thought my koolada is dodgy and dripped a drop on my dripper with some vg....No...it works

 

[Necris]

Is the menthol mix ok?

Cant say i would know if it wasn't,straight from the DIY kit.
Im sitting with frostbite in one hand and my diy in the other.
i have successfully created the type of menthol juice i don't like,sweetish,flat and warm with a slight chill on exhale.
now i need ICE on inhale.

have decanted into a 10ml and will leave to steep overnight

 

[Derick]

I have done some VG research lately, cause I bought pharmaceutical Glycerine, it tastes exactly the same, only difference I could find in some reviews is that VG is basically made of plant oil, where the Pharmaceutical one is made from oils in animal fat...could u guys confirm or have anyone found the same information?

@Puff&Pass You get two types of Glycerin in pharmaceutical grade: Vegetable Glycerin and Glycerin

Once you have the finished product it is impossible to tell which one it is, as they end up as exactly the same chemical with formula C3H8O3.

So the difference is only in preparation. Vegetable Glycerin is made from plant matter as you said, and normal Glycerin can be made from various substances, like fats and oils - and some of these can be derived from animals.

The distinction is only important if you are vegetarian/vegan or otherwise concerned about animal parts being used in your products.

The difference between pharmaceutical grade and normal 'pure glycerin' that some pharmacies have is the purity. Pharmaceutical grade has to be at least 99.0% pure, with limits as to what can be in the remaining 1%.

The 'pure' stuff can be pretty much anything from 80% up with no regulation as to what the other 20% can be, as long as it is not toxic. So for vaping we all pretty much stick to pharmaceutical grade.

Pharmaceutical grades get a classification, and each country has their own grading system, but they are all pretty much the same when it comes to VG. So in SA British Pharmaceutical (BP) is used, but you can also find USP here. There are plenty of other countries grades too, like JSP, EUSP etc.

 

[Derick]

Cant say i would know if it wasn't,straight from the DIY kit.
Im sitting with frostbite in one hand and my diy in the other.
i have successfully created the type of menthol juice i don't like,sweetish,flat and warm with a slight chill on exhale.
now i need ICE on inhale.

have decanted into a 10ml and will leave to steep overnight

Well, the menthol you got should be pretty potent, does it smell strongly like menthol, or did we screw up and just gave you PG

 

[Necris]

Well, the menthol you got should be pretty potent, does it smell strongly like menthol, or did we screw up and just gave you PG

Packed away the kit for the drive home sadly.does have a slight menthol scent.not strong though.

Mint candy is clearly mint,where menthol is a bit less distinct

 

[Derick]

Packed away the kit for the drive home sadly.does have a slight menthol scent.not strong though.

Mint candy is clearly mint,where menthol is a bit less distinct

Yeah, the mints are usually more potent - the menthol as it is, is what we use for our menthol mixes too

 

[Derick]

Give the steeping a go, then we chat again, see if it is better

 

[WHeunis]

Cant say i would know if it wasn't,straight from the DIY kit.
Im sitting with frostbite in one hand and my diy in the other.
i have successfully created the type of menthol juice i don't like,sweetish,flat and warm with a slight chill on exhale.
now i need ICE on inhale.

have decanted into a 10ml and will leave to steep overnight

I get what youre saying!
First time I tried to recreate the Menthol Ice, or SB Frostbite - came decently close but I could never get the "mouth freeze" up by enough.
Koolada is doing it's job (exhale/throat freeze); And doing it fantastically.
But I just couldn't ever get the menthol mouth-freeze amounts to go up by very much. Eventually I just settled at where I had it and splashed some mint in there for an extra pop in flavour.
Like I said, I now have some sort of Listerine Chewing Gum thing going on - loving it!
But, yeah... Never could get that mouth-freeze from the menthol to go up very much at all after a certain medium point.

 

[yuganp]

@Derick I just checked the site and the menthol is a 10% solution. Was not the previous TFA menthol that you had a 66% solution? i bought a few bottles and know that after a while it used to crystallize and needed to be warmed up before using.

 

[WHITELABEL]

Koolada I always do 5% minimum (works out to the recommended 1 drop per ml).
Menthol it depends if i'm using it as a primary or secondary flavour...
Especially against weaker flavours like strawberry; Gotta be real gentle with it then; but otherwise as a primary, 5% is as low as I go...

You guys have iron lungs or something that's way too much for me.

 

[Derick]

@Derick I just checked the site and the menthol is a 10% solution. Was not the previous TFA menthol that you had a 66% solution? i bought a few bottles and know that after a while it used to crystallize and needed to be warmed up before using.

Yep, the menthol we got from TFA was a 66% solution and was crazy expensive and just too strong - we got lots of complaints that even a few drops was too much, so we got some pharmaceutical grade menthol crystals and made a 10% solution - that is from research I did in various forums and is pretty much what everyone uses.

But if it is turning out too weak, we can certainly change it and up the menthol a bit

 

[Viper_SA]

@Puff&Pass You get two types of Glycerin in pharmaceutical grade: Vegetable Glycerin and Glycerin

Once you have the finished product it is impossible to tell which one it is, as they end up as exactly the same chemical with formula C3H8O3.

So the difference is only in preparation. Vegetable Glycerin is made from plant matter as you said, and normal Glycerin can be made from various substances, like fats and oils - and some of these can be derived from animals.

The distinction is only important if you are vegetarian/vegan or otherwise concerned about animal parts being used in your products.

The difference between pharmaceutical grade and normal 'pure glycerin' that some pharmacies have is the purity. Pharmaceutical grade has to be at least 99.0% pure, with limits as to what can be in the remaining 1%.

The 'pure' stuff can be pretty much anything from 80% up with no regulation as to what the other 20% can be, as long as it is not toxic. So for vaping we all pretty much stick to pharmaceutical grade.

Pharmaceutical grades get a classification, and each country has their own grading system, but they are all pretty much the same when it comes to VG. So in SA British Pharmaceutical (BP) is used, but you can also find USP here. There are plenty of other countries grades too, like JSP, EUSP etc.

Thanks for that cool explanation @Derick. Saw some Propylene Glycol MC on the Springbok Pharmacy website. Any idea what the MC means? They are not very communicative unfortunately. Been waiting a few days for a reply from them on this question

 

[Puff&Pass]

@Puff&Pass You get two types of Glycerin in pharmaceutical grade: Vegetable Glycerin and Glycerin

Once you have the finished product it is impossible to tell which one it is, as they end up as exactly the same chemical with formula C3H8O3.

So the difference is only in preparation. Vegetable Glycerin is made from plant matter as you said, and normal Glycerin can be made from various substances, like fats and oils - and some of these can be derived from animals.

The distinction is only important if you are vegetarian/vegan or otherwise concerned about animal parts being used in your products.

The difference between pharmaceutical grade and normal 'pure glycerin' that some pharmacies have is the purity. Pharmaceutical grade has to be at least 99.0% pure, with limits as to what can be in the remaining 1%.

The 'pure' stuff can be pretty much anything from 80% up with no regulation as to what the other 20% can be, as long as it is not toxic. So for vaping we all pretty much stick to pharmaceutical grade.

Pharmaceutical grades get a classification, and each country has their own grading system, but they are all pretty much the same when it comes to VG. So in SA British Pharmaceutical (BP) is used, but you can also find USP here. There are plenty of other countries grades too, like JSP, EUSP etc.

Thanx derrick I got the BP, and was smoking with one eye close till, about now....lol

 

[yuganp]

Yep, the menthol we got from TFA was a 66% solution and was crazy expensive and just too strong - we got lots of complaints that even a few drops was too much, so we got some pharmaceutical grade menthol crystals and made a 10% solution - that is from research I did in various forums and is pretty much what everyone uses.

But if it is turning out too weak, we can certainly change it and up the menthol a bit

My percentage of between 1.5% and 3% was based on using the 66% solution. Knowing what percentage solution is used is very important as now my percentage will be between 10% and 20% using the 10% menthol solution. Thats were some of the misconception occurred.

 

[Necris]

You guys have iron lungs or something that's way too much for me.

lung hitting frostbite 6mg at 0.7 in the orchid all day does things to you
i wasn't even a menthol fan,and then i got a freebie of frostbite at a vape meet,has been an adv since

 

[Derick]

Thanks for that cool explanation @Derick. Saw some Propylene Glycol MC on the Springbok Pharmacy website. Any idea what the MC means? They are not very communicative unfortunately. Been waiting a few days for a reply from them on this question

From what I can find it seems to be the same thing, but I'm no chemist and I can't seem to find what the MC stands for.

 

[Derick]

My percentage of between 1.5% and 3% was based on using the 66% solution. Knowing what percentage solution is used is very important as now my percentage will be between 10% and 20% using the 10% menthol solution. Thats were some of the misconception occurred.

yeah that does not seem feasable - I think we will adjust and try again

 

[Necris]

Steeping,meet Gaming

 

[Melinda]

Steeping,meet Gaming

Gosh that is a clean case, I'm to embarrassed to take a pick of the inside of my computer!!

 

[Necris]

Gosh that is a clean case, I'm to embarrassed to take a pick of the inside of my computer!!

I live really close to the sea,so every intake is double filtered or everything rusts.I wish i could take credit for dusting.
But thank you.
however,once you get used to the rust...it certainly has its benefits

 

[Puff&Pass]

From what I can find it seems to be the same thing, but I'm no chemist and I can't seem to find what the MC stands for.

One more question Derick, I've noticed that the higher the PG concentration in juice the more it burns my throat, so have resulted in avoiding the higher PG blends I have. Is PG/VG equally safe for use? Maybe I'm just PG sensitive? Was thinkin of using maybe a little more distilled water in VG blends.