planning on selling it for R250 49mls
Enyawreklaw... R370??
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planning on selling it for R250 49mls
Thats a shame... R370 for a great flavour base (where you have to do stuff all flavour development which is perfect for those who aren't bothered with making nonsense internet recipes that mostly all suck and waste plenty concentrate in the process) and get close to 200ml of juice is still cheap.
Lots of people are upset and emotions run high but I don't think you should refer to fellow forumites as "idiots" I think you should retract your statement.
Not gone for good, just for now while I work things out.
I'm not in the same position as ECX or Chef's who manufacture under license, so I can't compete directly with their pricing, but we can do better so hopefully the next offering will be more pleasing to everyone.
I'm not in the same position as ECX or Chef's who manufacture under license, so I can't compete directly with their pricing, but we can do better so hopefully the next offering will be more pleasing to everyone.
Wow, just wow. Was following this thread for some time now, and even if the price is a lil steep, does not make it less of an awesome product, was looking forward to buying some and running some experiments with it. I also form part of our DIY community and people do not realize how much this can help you in mixing. Sampling everything and actually knowing what the ingredients are, is a huge bonus, something most other "premium juices" do not offer.
And this from one of the best in vaping. This type of en devour could of boosted our local DIY to new heights.
And this from one of the best in vaping. This type of en devour could of boosted our local DIY to new heights.
OH No not cool method, you shouldn't need to yank the product.
No one knows exactly what goes into your pricepoint but you and the problem isnt the product, just the target market is a bunch of cheap skates.
Why not bundle the concentrate with 3.3Mg 200Ml premix with just enough space in the bottle to add the concentrate? That way the market isn't the DIY community and anyone can just add the one bottle to the other, shake and vape.
Bash thread for the loss.
If you couldn't afford the pricing - Shame, work harder. This lad - @method1 has been pod casting, innovating and mixing to get SA on the vapemap IMHO.
I honestly have no issue with R370 making that volume of juice...
@mad_hatter I don't agree with you, in the slightest...
You don't need to
You don't need to
I know this, and at 93 posts and 73 likes, you obviously are a bait guy. Enjoy it!
I relish in my title. Master Baiter!
Economics > You
R250 for 49ml when you can buy the concentrate and VG for R420 and have 200ml?
Again you haven't factored any associated costs , done an exchange conversion and boom you wanna package and sell.
And then your mark up , and you have the audacity to refer to other vendors as ripping off the community...
We can continue this chat once you've imported your own concentrates , using an insured tracking method rather than SAPO and paid all your additional expenses , including fees for your paypal / bitcoin account
Until then I am done.
@method1 is an innovator who has done nothing but amazing things for this community and vaping in South Africa , so call me a fanboi again if you like , but I'll continue to support those who have helped establish vaping and it's community.
K bye.
Economics > You
R250 for 49ml when you can buy the concentrate and VG for R420 and have 200ml?
Again you haven't factored any associated costs , done an exchange conversion and boom you wanna package and sell.
And then your mark up , and you have the audacity to refer to other vendors as ripping off the community...
We can continue this chat once you've imported your own concentrates , using an insured tracking method rather than SAPO and paid all your additional expenses , including fees for your paypal / bitcoin account
Until then I am done.
@method1 is an innovator who has done nothing but amazing things for this community and vaping in South Africa , so call me a fanboi again if you like , but I'll continue to support those who have helped establish vaping and it's community.
K bye.
please stop if you believed that then you more naive than i thought.
look at the calculations on the 1st page.
@AlphaDog please lock thread
Maybe ,
Go buy it at $9.99 and enjoy when it eventually arrives, still has to steep anyway, etc.
If its so easy to buy it at 9.99 why are you all bitching about it here that someone is making money off it. Because YOU did not take the initiative to import and distribute it?
Lets keep this as a friendly chat. If you didn't like the price then so be it, if you did then so be it too. Joel is an awesome guy and I am sure he has his figures to justify the launch price. As with anything new there will be teething problems and this is one of them. If we all work together and come up with constructive criticism to help then that would be great. If we all decide to become keyboard ninja's bashing each other's opinions then this doesn't help the current situation nor the community. I for one haven't a freaking clue about mixing and costs involved and I don't care to find out as I enjoy supporting the mixers in SA.
Eh, but people are happy to pay whatever vendors want for hardware. Sorry @method1 you didn't deserve a reception like this for an innovative product which could have a massive impact on the local vape scene.
I'll be pestering you to buy some of them myself. I know what it costs to import juice etc and believe your pricing is fair and justified.
I'll be pestering you to buy some of them myself. I know what it costs to import juice etc and believe your pricing is fair and justified.
I was one those that asked about the pricing purely because being an avid DIY'er I was looking for the value in these concentrates. @method1 came in and I followed the link and was satisfied.
If you mix you will know full well that subbing an ingredient with another brand or even a DX version of the same concentrate never works. The result is not what it should be. Subpar would be an understatement.
In this current economic climate it's natural for people to question the cost of an item. If they can't understand then that's their problem, theres no need to call people "idiots", "fanboys" and say they need to further their education to afford vaping.
We are a community at the end of all this, can we not just hug it out?
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If you mix you will know full well that subbing an ingredient with another brand or even a DX version of the same concentrate never works. The result is not what it should be. Subpar would be an understatement.
In this current economic climate it's natural for people to question the cost of an item. If they can't understand then that's their problem, theres no need to call people "idiots", "fanboys" and say they need to further their education to afford vaping.
We are a community at the end of all this, can we not just hug it out?
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I can't wait for the guys complaining to open up there own vape supply/shops/websites, so I can moan at their prices.............
To all who complained go import it yourself and leave the man to run his business.
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To all who complained go import it yourself and leave the man to run his business.
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Bek man. Come we import stuff
nail meet head.
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@Bearshare
Now, I have purchased quite a few vape related items from overseas, infact majority of my stuff (excluding juices) is from overseas actually.
Yes, you can get some items a fair amount cheaper from overseas - however, you have to take a risk and you have to wait.
You need to wait for it to be shipped to South Africa, which takes a long time or costs a lot. If you were to use DHL or a similar premium courier company you will pay through your teeth and it will no longer be cheaper than sourcing it locally - plus there is still at least a 4 business day wait at best, not to mention exorbitant custom clearance fees.
Secondly, the risk is whether the item will reach South Africa and safely and undamaged as well as whether it will be stolen or not before it touches your hands.
So sure you can save some money if you wish to import it yourself, go ahead and do that. Nobody is telling you otherwise.
There are pro's and con's to everything and you need to decide what is worth it for you. Personally I think R370 for over 100ml of international juice is pretty good. Would I purchase one?? Perhaps, although I prefer to DIY my juices now and am content with trying various other recipe's for now.
It certainly has me intrigued and I love the idea of selling just the concentrates pre-mixed and allowing the end user to mix it themselves, especially with the FDA stuff.
If this is a repeat of what others have said, well, I stopped reading after I saw this post.
@method1 if you are able to get the price lower, then that would be fantastic - nobody will complain about a price cut however I feel as if R370 was fair and justified.
I actually feel as if more juice makers should start selling concentrates pre-mixed and allow end users to mix it themselves.
Sure it might not be for the newbie who has just started their venture into e-cigs, although after a while even they would be able to mix it with a little bit of guidance.
EDIT: From a DIY perspective, this isn't quite a full blown DIY juice and it isn't quite a store purchased juice either. It is something inbetween, at least that is how I feel.
You are simply adding the bases & nicotine, no need to do any mixing and testing of flavours. These recipes are already tried, tested and perfected and they are premium.
Look, to be honest I would have to investigate the flavours properly and be perfectly sure that I need a specific flavour before I would consider paying that price. For an average Joe like me, it is a little steep. I have not looked at it in detail and if it actually makes 200ml maybe it is worth considering.
I mostly DIY my juice as it is more economical for me, but I still buy 1 or 2 juices from local suppliers per month because some juices just cannot be cloned.
Most importantly I support the idea that vaping in SA is supported / furthered by people like the local supporting vendors on this forum and as part of the community they do excellent work. Most of them are honest and ethical.
I can understand the reaction of people to a price tag like that. All of us have experienced unethical businesses and being ripped off.
Without looking at the details and getting proper facts about the product, I saw the first post and thought what the hell...
But after reading some, first impressions may have been deceiving.
I mostly DIY my juice as it is more economical for me, but I still buy 1 or 2 juices from local suppliers per month because some juices just cannot be cloned.
Most importantly I support the idea that vaping in SA is supported / furthered by people like the local supporting vendors on this forum and as part of the community they do excellent work. Most of them are honest and ethical.
I can understand the reaction of people to a price tag like that. All of us have experienced unethical businesses and being ripped off.
Without looking at the details and getting proper facts about the product, I saw the first post and thought what the hell...
But after reading some, first impressions may have been deceiving.
Yeah Actually I don't have much response to this.
It just occurred to me based on a post in the DIY thread, where @Greyz ordered 100ml of vanilla custard from the uk.
The price is roughly R190 before shipping.
The same amount from a local vendor is R430-R450 before shipping - but these guys haven't been raked over the coals like I have been with the ENYAWREKLAW concentrates. And bear in mind that Chef's UK are putting a mark up on that custard as they are getting it direct from capella.
Something about this particular brand seems to have struck some nerve that I'm not aware of.
Nevertheless I'm looking at ways to improve & I'm taking the feedback seriously.
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@method1 I agree 100% with you, possibly a bit of bad timing but most importantly I think it is the fact that you have to still have to add your own bases and possibly nicotine. I think this in mosts peoples eyes would lead them to compare it to DIY juices and pricing which I do not feel it should be.
I think that is really what it comes down to, to be honest.
R370 for 170 - 200ml of international juice is not bad. It is pretty well priced actually.
R370 for flavours to DIY your own juice and only get 170-200ml out of it might be a bit steep for some.
It is not quite a normal store purchased juice, it is not a full on DIY juice either. It is pre-mixed concentrates with a premium, tried and "paid for recipe".
Hopefully this will be the last post
If you want to pay R370 for the product then buy it.
If you don't want to, then don't buy it.
It is not that difficult.
We live (for now) in a free market and a vendor can ask what he wants. The economics of supply and demand will ensure that there is always a balance, especially in vaping
If you want to pay R370 for the product then buy it.
If you don't want to, then don't buy it.
It is not that difficult.
We live (for now) in a free market and a vendor can ask what he wants. The economics of supply and demand will ensure that there is always a balance, especially in vaping
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