Enyawreklaw... R370??

[Greyz]

Can't agree more with @Jan - if it's too rich for you then don't buy it, it's really that simple.
Personally I was going to go and buy myself 30ml of Funfetti premix but then I read that all the DIYORDIE premixes will be removed for sale till @method1 reviews his pricing. When they back for sale I'll purchase some.

I searched and found Sugar Cookie v1 and am importing it from the UK. You can save yourself all the hassle of ordering from overseas, waiting for delivery and praying customs doesn't block your parcel. Or you can just buy the preimx for R370. Choice at the end is yours.

 

[Clouds4Days]

Yeah Actually I don't have much response to this.

It just occurred to me based on a post in the DIY thread, where @Greyz ordered 100ml of vanilla custard from the uk.

The price is roughly R190 before shipping.

The same amount from a local vendor is R430 before shipping - but these guys haven't been raked over the coals like I have been with the ENYAWREKLAW concentrates. And bear in mind that Chef's UK are putting a mark up on that custard as they are getting it direct from capella.

Something about this particular brand seems to have struck some nerve that I'm not aware of.

Nevertheless I'm looking at ways to improve & I'm taking the feedback seriously.

I dont want to get into any debates and have been following this thread just to see what everyones input is.

Im sorry @method1 for the way folk have been lashing their whips at you.

You are spot on brother with vaping gear. Bought a presa 100w mod overseas for R500 and local they R1000
I recently purchased a Mage overseas for R300 incl shipping and local they R550

And im sure many folk have seen hardwear prices overseas too but have never seen them lash at any vendors like this.

But ive never lashed on the forum at any vendors. If i could get it much cheaper as stated above then i would go ahead and do that but i had no need to go on and on bashing a vendor.

Personaly you owe no one a reason to the pricing @metho1
And if those that feel they can get it cheaper then go get it forumnites. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy from @method1

Guys @method1 did not need to bring this product in as he already has amazing juices, hes doing it purely to bring something new to the market for us to enjoy so if yous dont like the price go buy some bfb out the toaster for R900

Vape on peeps...

 

[Greyz]

I buy 95% of my tanks and mods from overseas for the same reason.
TFv8 +-R750 locally, from China $26 + $5 shipping.
But B&M stores have costs like rent, staff etc so I'm guessing that's their reason for such a mark up.



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[brotiform]

Lets not forget that even after buying base and nic , you still have 200ml of international juice that is cheaper than 180ml of One Hit Wonder (retail is R800) and tastes better too

 

[SAVaper]

@method1

It is not quite a normal store purchased juice, it is not a full on DIY juice either. It is pre-mixed concentrates with a premium, tried and "paid for recipe".

Do I understand correctly?
This is a PRE-mixed recipy. You only add PG, VG and Nic? And it makes around 200ml?

If that is the case, it is a great price!

To make 200ml of Mustard Milk Clone at 6mg nic with bottle label will cost close to R205

INGREDIENT ML COST PER UNIT Total cost
NIC 36mg/ml in PG 33.33 R 1.80 R 60.00
PG 8.67 R 0.10 R 0.87
VG 130.00 R 0.10 R 13.00
STRAWBERRY 12 R 4.30 R 51.60
VANILLA BEAN ICE CREAM 16 R 4.30 R 68.80
Bottel R 7.00
Label R 3.00
R 204.27

This is calculated on R430 / 100ml for flavours. If you bought 10ml of flavour it could be between R4.50 and R6.50 per ml and you could get close to R350 and this excludes labour / time and any overheads etc.


That is what I meant by getting more information and doing some research before reacting to a first impression.

 

[Viper_SA]

I personally feel this was an amazing idea to bring these concentrates to SA and we should all be greatful that MR Hardwicks facilitated this for us. those guys who are being negitive about the price should stop vaping, futher your education so one day you can afford to vape. Ok Bye

Yeah, 'cause we're all a bunch of dumbasses. We bow to your superior intelligence.

 

[Silver]

Guys

Please feel free to discuss this topic and add your opinions by all means

But don't get personal

It just reflects badly on the thread, the topic, yourself and the forum

 

[notna]

All you guys going on about the quality of the juice, what a cool guy method is etc misses the point, I saw $9.99 vs R370 and thought hmm expensive. I was planning on getting myself some to try and I still would, even at that price, but don't read too much into it except that for a straight conversion from $10 it seemed overly expensive compared to the overseas price.

Granted I couldn't usually give a hoot about a vendor's problems & issues, not my monkeys/circus, so didn't consider any of the other factors like no-fly until they were highlighted.

Such is life, no need to get emotional and yank the product over a discussion. If it sells at that price then some of us are just cheapskate, if not then you'll know what to do.

I was hoping there would be some at vapecon tho, curios to try it & see what the hype's about.

 

[Andre]

Seems to me this thread (ignoring the bad taste posts) have added some value for all involved. Conventional wisdom so far has been that the two markets (commercial juice vs DIY juice) do not overlap by much. Maybe that is one of the problems with the venture under discussion, especially in a smaller market like ours, I was wondering.

Thats a shame... R370 for a great flavour base (where you have to do stuff all flavour development which is perfect for those who aren't bothered with making nonsense internet recipes that mostly all suck and waste plenty concentrate in the process) and get close to 200ml of juice is still cheap.

On the face of it that seems very dismissive of our DIY community, @Vapington? Ironically, these started off as Internet recipes as far as I know.

 

[Vapington]

Seems to me this thread (ignoring the bad taste posts) have added some value for all involved. Conventional wisdom so far has been that the two markets (commercial juice vs DIY juice) do not overlap by much. Maybe that is one of the problems with the venture under discussion, especially in a smaller market like ours, I was wondering.


On the face of it that seems very dismissive of our DIY community, @Vapington? Ironically, these started off as Internet recipes as far as I know.

You will notice that I said "those who aren't bothered". DIYORDIE is not some random DIYer, he has over 1M views on youtube, pretty sort after mixer. For newbie DIYers they will most likely trawl google for recipes - of which let's be honest ALOT of the recipes posted online are not great, I am sure many DIYers can attest to this. Not poking the DIY community at all. In fact these types of products can only encourage DIY.

 

[Andre]

You will notice that I said "those who aren't bothered". DIYORDIE is not some random DIYer, he has over 1M views on youtube, pretty sort after mixer. For newbie DIYers they will most likely trawl google for recipes - of which let's be honest ALOT of the recipes posted online are not great, I am sure many DIYers can attest to this. Not poking the DIY community at all. In fact these types of products can only encourage DIY.

Thank you for the clarification. Personally I found great recipes online and have an excellent hit ratio, but you have to be prepared to search deep and wide. For sure, just using the first recipe that comes up for your taste profile will not do it.

 

[Vapington]

Thank you for the clarification. Personally I found great recipes online and have an excellent hit ratio, but you have to be prepared to search deep and wide. For sure, just using the first recipe that comes up for your taste profile will not do it.

Alot of people do not want to search deep and wide though.

 

[Christos]

@method1, I managed to get some of your concentrates tonight.
Forced a vendor to sell them to me because they will probably be great.

Please reconsider your stance on the matter as I will be devastated if I enjoy these and then they become unavailable.

I honestly think the comments made by certain members are short sighted and naive.

Kindly look at the sales of the product and then make an assessment.

 

[Christos]

@method1, what a pleasure to mix like this.
My life is infinitely less complicated now.

This should last me a little over a month hopefully.
700ml of juice.

 

[method1]

@method1, what a pleasure to mix like this.
My life is infinitely less complicated now.

This should last me a little over a month hopefully.
700ml of juice.
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Nice! I personally couldn't wait and started vaping them straight after mixing.
Those both are pretty good straight after mixing and just continue improving over time, but if you do have thew patience though it's worth the wait!

 

[Christos]

Nice! I personally couldn't wait and started vaping them straight after mixing.
Those both are pretty good straight after mixing and just continue improving over time, but if you do have thew patience though it's worth the wait!

I did the taste test and they are pretty good.
Too busy setting up a new mod

 

[method1]

I did the taste test and they are pretty good.
Too busy setting up a new mod

Ooh what did you get?

 

[Christos]

Ooh what did you get?

I'll just leave this here...

Put a 3mm ID fused SS claptons in it.
0.1 ohm.

I've never been a fan of bottom airflow atty's because I'm a serial over squonker but this is working out rather well.

 

[method1]

I'll just leave this here...
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Put a 3mm ID fused SS claptons in it.
0.1 ohm.

I've never been a fan of bottom airflow atty's because I'm a serial over squonker but this is working out rather well.

Woah.. looks like airflow for days!

 

[Christos]

Woah.. looks like airflow for days!

Indeed. Kennedy style bottom airflow.
Flavour is good considering the amount of airflow.
I generally stay away from dual coils unless it's an ol 16.

 

[brotiform]

Got my samples of Rosky and Funfetti last night from @method1 and oh man oh man.

 

[Pixstar]

My 2c.
Picked the young one up from school. The route passes through my vendors shop and it's apparently Pokemon Go heaven so I stopped so that he could get his Pokemon fix.
On route I decided to try this for myself, got the Stacio-RY4U. The vendor was kind enough to mix it for me. R395 all in for 200ml of premium juice.
I know I'm supposed to let it steep for a few days but I figured a few km's from the shop to my place in my good old Landy is enough steeping. Tried it and man it's good.
Personally, I think the only guys who should be a little upset with @method1 are the juice makers.(kidding).
I see it as an excellent way to get good juice to the consumer at very affordable prices and I have no doubt it will become a thing locally.
Yeah, maybe some guys can import it cheaper, that's great, but if it's 400 bucks for 200ml of good juice? Not worth the trouble of importing it for ME, in MY opinion.

 

[rogue zombie]

Yip i think this is a perfect product for you non-typical DIY'ers.

You get a crap load of really good juice for cheaper than any other commercial juice.

As a core DIYer, I would typically look at the price and think of how much individual concentrates i could buy, and how much different recipes I could make

But perfect for non-DIYers to save some bucks. I hope it works out.

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[Mike]

Personally, I think the only guys who should be a little upset with @method1 are the juice makers.(kidding).

Exactly this. R2/ml is pretty much the cheapest juice you can buy in SA and it's pretty damn simple to make. And this is what I meant when I said

an innovative product which could have a massive impact on the local vape scene.

If this takes off, it can potentially change the game. I've been pondering how I'm going to stay relevant if that happens

 

[Soutie]

On route I decided to try this for myself, got the Stacio-RY4U. The vendor was kind enough to mix it for me. importing it for ME

That's awesome, if local retailers are keen to help mix this up the market suddenly comes alive. It moves from a DIY product to a juice.

Not everyone wants to have a scale and nic in the fridge and I'm sure that there would be legal issues if @method1 had to premix the bottles but the vendors helping at point of sale, man this stuff will sell out in hours.