On fastech they say made from 316 but who knows if thats true or not.
Some clones say 1:1 and they sure as hell are not
Which is my point
Here's to Dolly, to clone or not to clone
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Which is my point
...I used to smoke Pall Malls...
And you still alive brother....... HOW?
Years of training.
Started on the Stuyvies, hopped brands like mad before settling on Marlboros and switched to Princeton when the Marlboros became too expensive.
And even after all that, STILL managed to pull a Silver with a Twisp Clearo!
But all's well that ends well - March 13 marks a year off the stinkies!
I hear you brother.
Hell i also started on Peter Blue when was around +/-R25 a box but after a couple years was killing me the cost at around R38 a day so went onto Winston Blue wich was around R22 a box.
But im waisting more on my clouds now then ever before
But i gave up my RC hobby so it compensates now for my vaping hobby
I'm well aware of the differences of 316 and 304 but how does one know the clone is made out 316 a part from be told by FT, 3fvape , ect?
Or are we assuming china uses the best materials when making clones
Ok I see what this is about for you, "I paid a lot more than you so it must be lies". Look I don't know if it is truly 316 or not, but I find the knee jerk reactions both amusing and expected. You guys paid A LOT for your OL16's..
There is a market for authentic's, and unfortunately there is also one for clones.
Some folks seem to prefer clones. That's fine, it's their choice. I do not support cloners, I choose to buy authentic. And that has held true all during my life, not just with the vaping related.
I'm not going to drive a peddle car when I can drive a sports car.
You don't have to be a millionaire. Most things can be afforded if you want something bad enough to earn it by curbing IGS and saving up for it. (IGS - instant gratification syndrome)
Some folks seem to prefer clones. That's fine, it's their choice. I do not support cloners, I choose to buy authentic. And that has held true all during my life, not just with the vaping related.
I'm not going to drive a peddle car when I can drive a sports car.
You don't have to be a millionaire. Most things can be afforded if you want something bad enough to earn it by curbing IGS and saving up for it. (IGS - instant gratification syndrome)
In vaping, as in all things, the free market rules. There is a market for HE and a market for clones, just as there is a market for Versace outfits and for Pep or Mr Price cut-price clothes.
lol okay bud
Fastech must be telling the truth. Luckily we have you too show us the 'light' Peace
lol okay bud
Peace
I feel it can be hit or miss with clones. I 've bought ones that are good quality and could pass the "Pepsi"challenge,but have also gotten utter pieces of crap.However it is nice when you get lucky and find that really good one that preforms and is a quality product at a fraction of the cost.Ilke anything else you need to do your homework.Some reviewers do comparisons between clones and authentic gear and between different clones themselves.Geeky Vapes is a great site that comes to mind in this regard.
Hi @DoubleD,
I don't mind a 'disagree' rating, we can't all agree, but I took it you re-read my statement where I said "apparently". It is something I caught on another forum and not entirely my view as I'm no SS expert, but it does seem to be valid in a sense.
So I'll tell you more. According to the post, and it looks to be accurate, the Authentic OL16 is made from 304 Stainless Steel. The clone is made from 316 Stainless Steel.
The difference: http://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/304-vs-316-stainless-steel#gref
"It has almost the same physical and mechanical properties as 304 stainless steel and contains a similar material make-up. The difference is that 316 stainless steel incorporates about 2 to 3 percent molybdenum, which increases corrosion resistance—particularly against chlorides and other industrial solvents."
"The difference between 304 and 316 stainless steel is the presence of molybdenum, which provides a much higher degree of corrosion resistance -"
Which seems to indicate 316 SS could be considered a superior material to 304 SS.
I thought it's interesting since it is something that is often brought up when criticising clones ("inferior materials are used"). Now I'll agree the overall quality of machining on the clone is inferior to the authentic, but this does seem to indicate that the clone is superior in at least one way to the authentic.
I`m not going to get into the whole clone vs authentic robust discussion here. I have a ss304 OL16 and boy oh boy am I glad I stay in Gauteng.
. No more trips down to the coast for it
The clone supporters better be greatfull to the authentic supporters cause if it was not for the authentic supporters there would be no new developments and designs for the cloners to clone. R&D costs time and money, when you buying a clone you are not paying for that, you just pay for duplication. In essence a cloner does not revolutionise and if he does he is no longer a cloner.
Then there is the flip side of the coin where authentic and clones are made by the same company in order to maximise revenue streams in both the markets.
Then there is the flip side of the coin where authentic and clones are made by the same company in order to maximise revenue streams in both the markets.
Thats exactly the gif I thought of hahahahahaha nice
This argument is flawed to say the least.
I have been running an OL16 for 10 months as my daily vape often going through 30ml+ a day and it still looks and performs like the day I bought it. No rust, no dark spots. No discolouration whatsoever. Also still using the same o rings.
I challenge anyone with a clone Ol16 to send it to me so I can test it for 10 months. Parallel tests produce results and facts. Not speculation.
On the point that we paid to much this is relative if you consider that I will run the atty for another few years daily.
Too expensive is relative when you look at ROI. In all honesty it probably works out cheaper in the long run for me anyways.
If you want new gear every month then great. Go for clones and whatever is affordable.
I'm not in the habit of changing setups regularly.
Whatever floats your goat.
"but I find the knee jerk reactions both amusing and expected."
Hi guys
Please play the ball and not the man
This is a great discussion and its great to hear everyone's opinion - but if you start making it personal then we will just lock the thread and that will be sad.
Please play the ball and not the man
This is a great discussion and its great to hear everyone's opinion - but if you start making it personal then we will just lock the thread and that will be sad.
I'll take that challenge if you take up my blind test challenge
After being asked to explain myself. I posted some info I found interesting from another forum, clearly stated they don't necessarily reflect my views on the matter and looked forward to an open discussion. Instead here we are with guys feverishly defending/justifying their purchases. Guess what, you don't need to, I could honestly care less how you spend your money.
I find it funny because I knew the peeps who spent a lot of money on an item would flip out a bit at the idea of what I posted (you shouldn't), that's the only reason I pointed the cost out.
@Christos, I have a spare clone OL16 you can test drive IF you are willing to give it a fair shake and not be blinded by any clone vs authentic bias.
PS. Actually anyone know where one can get it evaluated to determine the material it is made from, seeing as my post was specifically and only referring to the material and nothing else. Would be interesting to know if it is indeed 316 SS.
Saying it is not is the only "speculation" I see here.
I find it funny because I knew the peeps who spent a lot of money on an item would flip out a bit at the idea of what I posted (you shouldn't), that's the only reason I pointed the cost out.
@Christos, I have a spare clone OL16 you can test drive IF you are willing to give it a fair shake and not be blinded by any clone vs authentic bias.
PS. Actually anyone know where one can get it evaluated to determine the material it is made from, seeing as my post was specifically and only referring to the material and nothing else. Would be interesting to know if it is indeed 316 SS.
Saying it is not is the only "speculation" I see here.
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Let's put this OL16 authentic "hate" to rest.I'll take that challenge if you take up my blind test challenge
@Effjh, I would test the clone if I could get basic features to work but unfortunately the clone Ol16 can't even be coiled without posing a risk to myself on a mech.
The clone is crude in comparison with respect to machining and attention to detail like sharp edges etc but that's expected from a clone.
Unfortunately the clone fails to even make it onto a mod because coiling without loose wire is not possible.
One of these is a fake and the other an authentic.
The challenge is hard to accept when building on a clone that can't even clamp your wire. The screws have about a 1mm gap fully screwed in so it's hard to vape something that doesn't clamp wire.
Also the base of the post screws are not flat making clamping difficult.
Orings failed on the clone.
See if you can spot the difference.
I'm not one to review clones or any atty for that matter.
I have also refrained from saying the clone is garbage before but in light of this discussion the authentic is actually usable and thus making it the clear winner.
As I said before, you are free to buy the clone if you so wish but there is no need to bash an authentic or to bash what others are chosing to spend their hard earned cash on.
316 bru
More like 102
@Christos i 100% agree , there is nothing wrong with a clone but a authentic will always be better. Even if the only diffrence from the authentic to the clone is just the grub screws that are heat treated so they dont strip, it still means the authentic is better.
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"It doesnt matter if you win by a inch or by a mile, winning is winning"
-Vin Diesel
Where did you get that clone from so fast??
I haven't even sent it to yet! Thought you needed one to test? Oh wait are you posting someone elses experiences as your own?I am utterly confused, in fact you are going off about every single thing about the clone that is not relevant to the info I posted THE MATERIAL. I even stated the machining leaves a lot to be desired. There was never any "authentic OL16 hate".
This is too much for one night. Have a good night guys, I think I inadvertently trolled this thread into the ground. 
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