KZOR's Recipe Archive : Mint Toffee
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You can also just add Menthol to my Guavamala recipe 
https://www.ecigssa.co.za/kzors-juice-recipes-mandera.t30395/page-11#post-551801
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Brunch revisited. Welcome to try it.
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Now just add LA cream cheese icing
If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
I don't know why it's fine to try and clone or do a remix of international juices but it's a sin to try and clone or remix local recipes. Aren't we taking bread out of international mixers mouths aswell?If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
It was my opinion. Didn't say it's a sin, just see it as unethical especially to an fellow Suid Afrikaaner
I guess it's a question about loyalty... You are either loyal to someone elses wallet or your own...
And it should be an honour for juice makers if people try cloning their juices... it means it's that good... people will never get it spot on anyway...
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And it should be an honour for juice makers if people try cloning their juices... it means it's that good... people will never get it spot on anyway...
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Relax m8. I said it was closer and by no means is it the same. Frosteez is a great juice and if i managed to crack it then i would keep it to myself.
This is just a great alternative if you like that type of flavour and don't have the cash to spend.
I would remove the recipe in a instant if Nostalgia thinks it is clone quality.
If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
You would think that the local manufacturers wouldn't rip our asses on prices either, ya know seeing as we're fellow south Africans n all.
R150 for a juice?
100% mark up on goods ordered from fasttech?
Sorry, but have zero sympathy. If a mixer can crack the recipe then it wasn't that great to begin with.
And as for "whole year working on a recipe", got news mate, tons of the juices out there are blatant ripoffs of recipes found on ATF.
I once took FA Bread Crust out of HIC's mouth. He thanked me for it and still sends me a card every Christmas.
Don't you dare keep it to yourself!Relax m8. I said it was closer and by no means is it the same. Frosteez is a great juice and if i managed to crack it then i would keep it to myself.
This is just a great alternative if you like that type of flavour and don't have the cash to spend.
I would remove the recipe in a instant if Nostalgia thinks it is clone quality.
My viewpoint on this: The overlap between the DIY market and the commercial juice market is small. And, as many commercial juice maker vendor members on here have confirmed, most of them are proud if someone tries to remix/interpret/clone their juices.
I understand your point but Keloggs should be more pissed off.If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
Ok, Nostalgia (Frosteez) by no means introduced the cereal vape to the world... Cereal vapes have been around since the onset of e-liquid, mixing and cloning. The first cereal clone was posted back in 2014 when ELR started and when vaping was just something we heard about in good old sunny South Africa. The fine fellows at Nostalgia released a brilliant juice (from what I've heard), following the plethora of international cereal juices.
There was a gap locally and Frozteez filled it, and filled it well. Most DIY folk here have been mixing cereal vapes for a while but this exploded when Cereal 27 was released. This is Kzor's interpretation of a fantastic local juice and I applaud him for the work he has done here. Cereal juices are frankly piss easy to make and interpret as the base ingredients does all the hard work. Gooi in a bit of sweetener and cream and Bob's your what's-it. If a year was taken to develop the reference juice, I will eat my Minikin and swallow it down with a gulp of TFA Honey.
Kzor, keep on posting brother - you give us all inspiration and new ideas.
Hold my drink while I go and cry in my bowl of cereal...
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There was a gap locally and Frozteez filled it, and filled it well. Most DIY folk here have been mixing cereal vapes for a while but this exploded when Cereal 27 was released. This is Kzor's interpretation of a fantastic local juice and I applaud him for the work he has done here. Cereal juices are frankly piss easy to make and interpret as the base ingredients does all the hard work. Gooi in a bit of sweetener and cream and Bob's your what's-it. If a year was taken to develop the reference juice, I will eat my Minikin and swallow it down with a gulp of TFA Honey.
Kzor, keep on posting brother - you give us all inspiration and new ideas.
Hold my drink while I go and cry in my bowl of cereal...
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They tfa honey is a step too far
I am so tired of this clone issue, @KZOR thanks for sharing. To anyone that says clones are taking the bread out of the vendor's mouths I call BS, very very few DIYers buy commercial anyway, and vice versa. I'm with @Strontium here, we are being ripped off with massive margins. 90% of the juices out there started on the internet, these okes didn't invent frosties, I mixed that profile since I got my hands CAP Cereal 27, before I ever heard of Frosteez, the flavor tastes like straight up corn flakes. So seriously, it's not that big of a deal, I doubt these vendors are losing a cent to DIYers. If someone stole the recipe and released it, or made his own brand and sold it, different story, but there are how many lemony cream cookies on the shelves, none of them taste the same. So everyone just needs to chill out about this .
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Oh you're full of it.If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
Oh good, this again.If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...
I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...
Yeah, I don't agree with you at all. Here's why.
This is probably a fruitless exercise, but nevertheless, here goes:
1) DIY'ers are DIY'ers because they mix their own juices. They don't buy the majority of their juice. They mix it. If there would suddenly be a law or force of nature or something that magically prevented DIY'ers from cloning Frosteez, then they'd clone something else. They wouldn't suddenly start buying Frosteez, for goodness sake.
2) People who don't DIY aren't making cloned recipes, and so they're still buying their juice.
Whether something is cloned or not makes very little difference to actual sales.
Implying that it's morally wrong to clone local juice while it's fine to clone international juice is not a valid or a sound argument in any way, shape or form either. In fact, it's weird.
3) DIY'ers identify reference flavour profiles that they want to mix / emulate / simulate / clone / strive towards / whatever word doesn't trigger you. They do this because:
a) they really like the reference flavour and thinks it's amazing; and
b) because they're DIY'ers, which is a legit hobby, they want to push themselves towards developing a mix that resembles a successful juice line - it's a strong feeling of accomplishment and a testimony to their skills and experience as mixologists; and
c) it's what they do, it's what they enjoy, it's what they love doing. They're not harming sales, they're not harming people, they're not skinning kittens.
I mean, gosh. Commenting in a thread dedicated to DIY endeavour about how DIY-cloning is morally wrong is ridiculous. I mean no offense to you, DirtyD, but honestly now. No one's going into the vendor forums and saying "omg you guys are morally wrong for selling this juice at R8 per 1ml if it can be made for 70c per 1ml". If you don't like the practice, I'm not entirely sure why you would comment in an arena where you know it's just going to get a "ugh not again" response. Live and let live, man. Life's too short to start heated debates that never have any clear winners and will never be resolved. Our ECIGGSA community is too small to have infighting and bickering about every little thing
I wish people would stop being triggered for everything.
Live and let live.
PS: I say "they" when I talk about DIY'ers, but for the record (and as most of you know), I'm an avid DIY'er myself and include myself when referring to this group.
Lol. Thanks for the great reply @aktorsyl sorry but I wasn't triggered at all... I simply spoke my mind . Whatever , each for his own and no hard feelings I really love the forum, this sub forum and KZOR is also great guy. It wasn't an literal attack at him as a person/diyers on the forum/ or anyone ... i just stated my opinion.
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