Lockdown diaries - COVID-19 matters!
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To all the parents who haven't sold their kids to a Bangladeshi shoe factory, you might consider it now.
Opening of schools delayed by 2 weeks. Open on 15 Feb.
https://www.news24.com/news24/south...-weeks-as-country-fights-second-wave-20210115
Opening of schools delayed by 2 weeks. Open on 15 Feb.
https://www.news24.com/news24/south...-weeks-as-country-fights-second-wave-20210115
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Copied from another source for the links.
While some lab tests indicated that it inhibits COVID-19 in artificial environments (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011?via=ihub) these were contradicted by human trials (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32378737/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32891630/)
While there are theoretical reasons (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33389725/) to believe that Ivermectin may treat Covid-19, and there have been some promising results ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7709596/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33389725/) these papers advise that more studies are needed before it can be recommended as a treatment, or are based on incomplete trials https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33341233/
There are more studies going on (https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ctr-search/trial/2020-001994-66/ES and https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ctr-search/trial/2020-001474-29/ES - these are just of at least 5)
Ivermectin isn't being ignored. It has not been proven to be as effective as some people are claiming. Ivermectin is quickly becoming the new Hydroxychloroquine
"Two people in Pitermaritzburg have ended up in intensive care after taking an overdose of ivermectin"
One can end up in the ICU from Aspirin overdose (there is no cure for human stupidity).
I don't understand the point of that article.
Increased taxes, curbed trading hours, stricter advertising regulations, and a higher drinking age limit are among the legislative measures government is considering to clamp down on alcohol abuse in South Africa.
This is according to President Cyril Ramaphosa, who recently elaborated on the ANC’s position regarding alcohol abuse in South Africa during an interview with The Sunday Times.
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/gove...curb-alcohol-abuse.html?utm_source=newsletter
This is according to President Cyril Ramaphosa, who recently elaborated on the ANC’s position regarding alcohol abuse in South Africa during an interview with The Sunday Times.
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/gove...curb-alcohol-abuse.html?utm_source=newsletter
Panic and fear cultivate stupidity, the point of the article is that information shouldn't be disseminated without scientific scrutiny. Just as when people were drinking bleach, self administering massive amounts of hydroxychloroquine and quinine, resulting in deaths. It's the same as the bullshit flyers saying that steaming yourself kills it off.
The exact same people everywhere as well as in this forum who won't trust a vaccine because they think it has been rushed or is monkey making, believe that a few doctors go out and say this X chemical showed promise in a lab so we must get it out quickly, to me that's also dumb, but do I want those people to die? No.
Life is a balance between what you decide and also the quality of the information you've been given to make those choices, how we choose to validate that information can make absolutely anyone do something stupid.
With that I agree 100%.
How many times is sensationalized when ppl overdoze on opiods (prescribed by the doctor) and yet we want to ban and censor everyone and everything because some poor fool is fed fishtank cleaner (with chloroquine listed on the packet) by his wife, or someone takes elephant dose of Ivermectin. The only mitigation for stupidity is clear (but not forced) information and education.
Darwin defined evolution rather succinctly, with the weak of mind, (stupidity), weaning itself out of the gene pool ... don't fight it ... let the problem resolve itself
(Sorry, I've pressed "post reply" accidentaly.) Agree, but all information must flow freely and I make the choice for myself.
Nope, I have one simple rule: Don't trust politicians, lawyers and doctors (esp. the ones that become politicians or lawyers).
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And I think if this was administered by a professional it would have gone alot smoother.
According to scientific proof as pointed out by @Alex . Has been used on humans since before diesel engines and fuel injection became a thing. It might not cure anything but it was used in succesfull treatment of viral infections in humans.
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I am happy you are willing to embrace the vaccine, all 11 official versions that nobody knows how to treat or cure this man made pandemic. And a lot of people will probably hate me for what I'm saying right now.
How many scientific anti vaping propaganda's are out there and how many of them proved that vaping isn't a scientific proven method of quitting smoking. Now a few would ask what vaping has to do with any of this. And my point is don't be self contradictory when it comes to scientific proof if you yourself are vaping. Same goes for anything else out there. No one said ivemectin is the cure or the treatment, but because scientific proof didn't agree with it we must overlook it and pay millions to companies who according to me are trying their luck at finding a vaccine. Just because it contains Corona(whatever strain virus) doesn't mean it will cure, prevent or eliminate the thing.
And I have nothing against you or anyone for wanting a vaccine even if it's proven or not, bit stop making other people out to be stupid for not promoting vaccination. It's my choice and my responsibility.
And if it means that I won't be part of normal civilization then so be it because I was never really part of the system or my life would have been so much better. Like bill gates said. We don't really contribute to much and like the president of south africa said... We don't really matter.
I hope and I wish you would respond to this so we can go all viral( see what I did there) and enjoy a lekka debate.
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@alex1501 I simply shared the article to raise awareness about the risks as from what I saw people were sold stuff for animal use with a much higher concentration than what humans may handle... I have my own personal opinion about the use of Ivermectin.
@Resistance my friend, there’s only 1 single strain of COVID-19 in circulation worldwide. The 3 new ones are simple variants of the same strain characterised by a faster replication hence higher transmissibility. No one can force you to take the vaccine buddy... all we need is approximately half of the population to be immunized. If you want more explanation about the 67% figure, feel free to ask.
@Resistance my friend, there’s only 1 single strain of COVID-19 in circulation worldwide. The 3 new ones are simple variants of the same strain characterised by a faster replication hence higher transmissibility. No one can force you to take the vaccine buddy... all we need is approximately half of the population to be immunized. If you want more explanation about the 67% figure, feel free to ask.
I absolutely have no problem with you sharing the article, but after reading it I wasn't sure what was the writers point, beside some sort of fearmongering.
@Grand Guru, Happy Birthday once again and thanks for sharing the info.
I appreciate it. I have nothing against it and I do follow these informational posts. However I don't agree with a few people on this forum and in this thread ranting and raving about the stupidity of others on the forum, not wanting or wanting to take a vaccine.
Someone close, very close to me was hospitalised for this man made virus pandemic thing. So I am not against a vaccine. I know about the Herd immunity thing as well and what I'm saying is if I followed the herd all that time ago I wouldn't be here to tell you I didn't follow that herd. My point is simple. Post the info. I'm 100% for that.,but I'm not the guy to be called out for being stupid for not wanting to take it. That's my choice and my responsibility.
I don't go calling people idiots and stupid for waiting for the vaccine.
The vaccine thing. I heard there's 11 officially acknowledged vaccines. How ever many strains or mutations are out there I don't know, because just when you think you know, someone comes and tells you something different. My thing is how effective would any of those 11vaccines be for any one person if we don't know how it would affect that said person. Maybe none of those would be effective to that person and the thing that might just have worked or treated it actually grows in your garden or in a field somewhere. Who knows maybe vaping PG or VG is the vaccine although not scientifically proven.
So please don't stop posting those stats. It's important to know.
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Eish .... So much of disagreement about a point of view
Opinions are like a-holes, we all have one ... so feel free to distribute information that you've validated, and let everyone draw their own conclusions, and make their own choices without forcing it down their throats
For me, and for now ... I'm sticking to the critical issues at hand, namely;
Are my batteries charged, and;
Do I have enough eliquid
O ... and do I have Wi-Fi
EDIT: and Happy Birthday @Grand Guru ... Thanks too for this thread, and for keeping us all Covid updated ... Much appreciated
Opinions are like a-holes, we all have one ... so feel free to distribute information that you've validated, and let everyone draw their own conclusions, and make their own choices without forcing it down their throats
For me, and for now ... I'm sticking to the critical issues at hand, namely;
Are my batteries charged, and;
Do I have enough eliquid
O ... and do I have Wi-Fi
EDIT: and Happy Birthday @Grand Guru ... Thanks too for this thread, and for keeping us all Covid updated ... Much appreciated
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And in other news, Dr F got another study out with results we can all agree on...
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00437-5
Conclusion
An unusually low prevalence of smoking, approximately 1/4th the expected prevalence, was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Any association between smoking and COVID-19 severity cannot be generalized but should refer to the seemingly low proportion of smokers who develop severe COVID-19 that requires hospitalization. Smokers should be advised to quit due to long-term health risks, but pharmaceutical nicotine or other nicotinic cholinergic agonists should be explored as potential therapeutic options, based on a recently presented hypothesis.
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00437-5
Conclusion
An unusually low prevalence of smoking, approximately 1/4th the expected prevalence, was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Any association between smoking and COVID-19 severity cannot be generalized but should refer to the seemingly low proportion of smokers who develop severe COVID-19 that requires hospitalization. Smokers should be advised to quit due to long-term health risks, but pharmaceutical nicotine or other nicotinic cholinergic agonists should be explored as potential therapeutic options, based on a recently presented hypothesis.
There are some studies on PubMed relating to smokers and lower incidences of respiratory illnesses, (which is why I was surprised at Kopdoeks stance).
The supposition is that the environment created by smoking is so toxic, that not even viruses can survive it
... Not sure how vaping fit's into these studies, (if at all) tho'
have you got a phone number for me?
There are some studies on PubMed relating to smokers and lower incidences of respiratory illnesses, (which is why I was surprised at Kopdoeks stance).
The supposition is that the environment created by smoking is so toxic, that not even viruses can survive it
That's the next taboo topic in the world. Other options to smoking... Vaping has gotten so much bad publicity that only a handful of studies and professionals are willing to point it out and stand firm in their stance(stand their man) as to what you're saying ...
So when compared to scientific proof that vaping might just be a good thing. More than half the world still believe it isn't because theirs so much out there against vaping.There are some studies on PubMed relating to smokers and lower incidences of respiratory illnesses, (which is why I was surprised at Kopdoeks stance).
The supposition is that the environment created by smoking is so toxic, that not even viruses can survive it
And by the way kopdoek lost the court case so they can't ban cigarettes this time. There's too little scientific proof that people die from smoking related illnesses.
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I can't disagree bar the last sentence that I assume is a typo?
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