Fixed.
The last sentence was my bit of lockdown sarcasm.
There's so much evidence, but they still point away from a safer option. Is what I meant.
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The last sentence was my bit of lockdown sarcasm.
There's so much evidence, but they still point away from a safer option. Is what I meant.
This just posted on GGPC facebook page..
It is by a medical doctor so @alex1501 you will have to get over your trust issues.
Ivermectin - Is it a miracle cure?
Dr Sheri Fanaroff
#VoicesThatCare
I’ve tried to avoid commenting on Ivermectin until more is known, but over the last week, I have been sent countless videos, articles and anecdotal reports from patients, asking if it’s true that Ivermectin is going to be our saviour. What I do find curious, is that many of the same people who are staunch anti-vaxers and also sometimes anti-maskers, seem absolutely convinced that Ivermectin is a wonder drug. There is a palpable sense that the authorities are denying us a cure, and conspiracy theories abound.
The truth is, we just don’t know yet.
Doctors are more desperate than anyone else for medications and treatments that will work to alleviate the burden on hospitals. If there are medications that are effective, the medical fraternity is absolutely invested in treating patients in the most beneficial manner. We certainly don’t want to withhold medications that work, yet we also don’t want a repeat of the chloroquine scenario, where initially it was touted to be effective, yet later found to cause more harm than good.
Ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug, only registered for use in animals in South Africa, is quickly becoming a divisive issue both in the lay public and in medical circles across the world. There are several academic proponents who have reviewed the literature and advocated for the immediate use of Ivermectin: among them, Dr Andrew Hill, Dr Theresa Lawrie, and Professor Paul Marik. There is a growing group of South African doctors, nearly 500 of whom have already signed a petition written only two days ago, on 15th January, addressed to the president, imploring him to legalize Ivermectin and to allow doctors to dispense it with informed consent. In this open letter, they stress the safety profile of Ivermectin, the fact that it has been used safely for decades and that there is no time to wait for results of further trials, or to fill in lengthy applications to apply for use in each patient, whilst people are dying in a pandemic. Some excellent points have been made. Other ICU doctors and other frontline doctors have also written impassioned pleas calling for the use of Ivermectin to be allowed.
And yet.....
SAHPRA (South African Health Professional Regulatory Authority) have issued a three page statement in which they have reviewed the evidence and concluded that from the available randomized control trial evidence, Ivermectin is not superior to placebo in terms of viral load reduction or clinical progression and that there is no evidence from randomized control trials for any reduction in mortality. They recommend that eligible patients with COVID-19 in South Africa be considered for enrolment in relevant therapeutic trials. As such, it remains ILLEGAL to use Ivermectin in this country.
Prof Abdool-Carrim and the Ministerial Advisory Committee have stated that “The Ivermectin available in South Africa is for animal use only. It would be professional misconduct for any doctor to prescribe it and any pharmacist to dispense it”. At a lecture to doctors on 14 January hosted by Discovery, Professor Tilley from DGMC discussed home management of COVID-19, and refused to discuss Ivermectin use as part of the recommend regime as it remains unproven and illegal.
This week the National Institute of Health (NIH) in the USA revised their guidelines on Ivermectin as follows :
“The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel has determined that currently there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.” As such, the NIH has upgraded their recommendation on Ivermectin, from “against” to “neither for nor against”, which is the same recommendation given to monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma, both widely used in USA.
I am not attempting to present a full analysis of the benefits versus the side effects of Ivermectin. These have been written by scientific researchers and are available to be read online. There certainly seems to be enough anecdotal evidence to warrant fast-tracked research into the effectiveness of the treatment, but at this stage such research has not been concluded and Ivermictin’s use is therefore illegal in South Africa.
In conclusion, in our desperation to find medication that works, let us not pin all our hopes on something that still requires much research and verification. While we wait for vaccines, we need to continue the protective measures that we know so well. In particular, in this brief period before our children return to school and while the second surge continues to overwhelm our hospitals, we need to all avoid exposure and apply COVID protocols, so that when schools open there are not major outbreaks.
It is by a medical doctor so @alex1501 you will have to get over your trust issues.
Ivermectin - Is it a miracle cure?
Dr Sheri Fanaroff
#VoicesThatCare
I’ve tried to avoid commenting on Ivermectin until more is known, but over the last week, I have been sent countless videos, articles and anecdotal reports from patients, asking if it’s true that Ivermectin is going to be our saviour. What I do find curious, is that many of the same people who are staunch anti-vaxers and also sometimes anti-maskers, seem absolutely convinced that Ivermectin is a wonder drug. There is a palpable sense that the authorities are denying us a cure, and conspiracy theories abound.
The truth is, we just don’t know yet.
Doctors are more desperate than anyone else for medications and treatments that will work to alleviate the burden on hospitals. If there are medications that are effective, the medical fraternity is absolutely invested in treating patients in the most beneficial manner. We certainly don’t want to withhold medications that work, yet we also don’t want a repeat of the chloroquine scenario, where initially it was touted to be effective, yet later found to cause more harm than good.
Ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug, only registered for use in animals in South Africa, is quickly becoming a divisive issue both in the lay public and in medical circles across the world. There are several academic proponents who have reviewed the literature and advocated for the immediate use of Ivermectin: among them, Dr Andrew Hill, Dr Theresa Lawrie, and Professor Paul Marik. There is a growing group of South African doctors, nearly 500 of whom have already signed a petition written only two days ago, on 15th January, addressed to the president, imploring him to legalize Ivermectin and to allow doctors to dispense it with informed consent. In this open letter, they stress the safety profile of Ivermectin, the fact that it has been used safely for decades and that there is no time to wait for results of further trials, or to fill in lengthy applications to apply for use in each patient, whilst people are dying in a pandemic. Some excellent points have been made. Other ICU doctors and other frontline doctors have also written impassioned pleas calling for the use of Ivermectin to be allowed.
And yet.....
SAHPRA (South African Health Professional Regulatory Authority) have issued a three page statement in which they have reviewed the evidence and concluded that from the available randomized control trial evidence, Ivermectin is not superior to placebo in terms of viral load reduction or clinical progression and that there is no evidence from randomized control trials for any reduction in mortality. They recommend that eligible patients with COVID-19 in South Africa be considered for enrolment in relevant therapeutic trials. As such, it remains ILLEGAL to use Ivermectin in this country.
Prof Abdool-Carrim and the Ministerial Advisory Committee have stated that “The Ivermectin available in South Africa is for animal use only. It would be professional misconduct for any doctor to prescribe it and any pharmacist to dispense it”. At a lecture to doctors on 14 January hosted by Discovery, Professor Tilley from DGMC discussed home management of COVID-19, and refused to discuss Ivermectin use as part of the recommend regime as it remains unproven and illegal.
This week the National Institute of Health (NIH) in the USA revised their guidelines on Ivermectin as follows :
“The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel has determined that currently there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.” As such, the NIH has upgraded their recommendation on Ivermectin, from “against” to “neither for nor against”, which is the same recommendation given to monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma, both widely used in USA.
I am not attempting to present a full analysis of the benefits versus the side effects of Ivermectin. These have been written by scientific researchers and are available to be read online. There certainly seems to be enough anecdotal evidence to warrant fast-tracked research into the effectiveness of the treatment, but at this stage such research has not been concluded and Ivermictin’s use is therefore illegal in South Africa.
In conclusion, in our desperation to find medication that works, let us not pin all our hopes on something that still requires much research and verification. While we wait for vaccines, we need to continue the protective measures that we know so well. In particular, in this brief period before our children return to school and while the second surge continues to overwhelm our hospitals, we need to all avoid exposure and apply COVID protocols, so that when schools open there are not major outbreaks.
Yeah...!? I don't know him, so... no, not really.
That's plain stupid, it will only cause more accidents.
In short, they say: "we don't know", so "shut up and obey".
That is coming from the same ppl who claim " there is insufficient data that vaping is helping smokers to quit" and "vaping epidemic, ban all flavours"....
And yet, I should trust all of them the to bring me that "miracle vaccine" in less than year (which never have happened before),
while they couldn't make HIV vaccine in 40 years and there was more than enough funding. I don't think so.
Just to summarize:
Hell no!
I've just found the mask I like.
I would wear this anywhere.
I would wear this anywhere.
The good news is Dr's are considering trials of anything that could work.
Bad news is all those poor African countries where ivermectin was used got Healed on false pretences of the placebo effect. Maybe we should travel to some of those poor countries for treatment
because half of their population is already hereI just had to sorry.. sarcasm sucks! I know
Why? I have Mama Gumba two doors down, she can heal anything.
The one down the road here only fix lost lovers and other small issues.i don't see alot of traffic anymore maybe he does it online now.Why? I have Mama Gumba two doors down, she can heal anything.
The one down the road here only fix lost lovers and other small issues.i don't see alot of traffic anymore maybe he does it online now.
No man, this one is a real deal, busy all the time.
Maybe she stock ivermectin as well
Minora award right there.
Maybe she stock ivermectin as well
I don't know, but I can ask. You looking for some?
Sure is (you didn't know?), but she is not keeping stock of those. Special orders only.
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I had myself tested for Covid antibodies (not for Covid itself) and the results were negative. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. In one way it's good, because it means that I've never been exposed to Covid. On the other hand, if it were positive, at least I would know that I do have some ammunition against the virus.
Na im good. I got a pre-order on herd immunity and an air fryer.
How disappointing, I was sure we are going to make the "killer" deal.
Yes, the antibody test indicates previous invection. Currently is only used for research. Will be much more usefull when the vaccine arrive because it can be used to see if the vaccine worked.
Ok, FOMO got me. I would like it.How disappointing, I was sure we are going to make the "killer" deal.
On a serious note. The person I mentioned that was hospitalised is doing great now. Still in hospital, but much better.
https://www.capetalk.co.za/articles...a-thread-burns-through-millions-to-stay-alive
@Timwis you need to drink more that side. You're our only hope.
@Timwis you need to drink more that side. You're our only hope.
I'm playing my part, believe me!
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