Lockdown diaries - COVID-19 matters!
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Been bad dude?
Today is the first day that I'm feeling human. Been in bed for the last 3 days. You don't want to mess with this thing.
Yipee doo! Ok, do not get me wrong but I have my doubts about all this righteous do your duty rigmarole.
So the vaccination does not stop you from getting Covid right? So you can still get the disease, although not as bad, and when infected still spread it.
So what is the purpose of all this get 5G and stop the spread propaganda? It will still spread as normal, the only beneficiaries will be the ones that got the jab and do not get as sick. So there is in fact no patriotic heroism award to be bestowed on the jabbed?
Or am I just off the rails as usual?
Regards
You do get breakthrough infections. I'm one of them. And I can tell you now that if I didn't have the jab in May I would be in an ICU breathing through a tube right now.
But the infection rate and transmission rate is much lower among those that are vaccinated than those who are not.
Just today I read an article about the difference between the states in the US. Those with high vaccination rates got lower hospitalization rates. And that is seen in the UK too.
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affairs-august-2-2021
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As with any problem in life, you need to approach it from multiple directions, you have a way less chance of getting infected, and a much greatly reduced chance of dying, but also a reduced amount of reproduction inside of you to prevent mutations and spreading it. Which is why they have said that people should still use non-pharmaceutical prevention. It's all about risk reduction.
It's like being drunk and walking near traffic, you are more likely to walk in to the road, being sober isn't going to stop a car hitting you, but you're more likely to make informed choices and not walk in to the road.
While I personally think the patriotic slant is a little over blown, getting a vaccine does help you and the rest of humanity, but the catch 22 is that a majority of us will have to want to go this route. Or you know stay indoors and away from each other while waiting 50 years or so until it maybe mutates down in to something less harmful - but by then majority of people will have brain damage or permanent organ damage.
maybe this explains things a bit better? without official proof of having had the jabs the "unvaxxed" will have a really tough time in their daily life.
As stated in the video, vaccination requirements are absolutely nothing new, people have selective memories.
Take a few minutes to read this….
CDC shares 'pivotal discovery' on Covid-19 breakthrough infections that led to new mask guidance
This is the source document
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
Summary
What is already known about this topic?
Variants of SARS-CoV-2 continue to emerge. The B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant is highly transmissible.
What is added by this report?
In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Jurisdictions might consider expanded prevention strategies, including universal masking in indoor public settings, particularly for large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.
CDC shares 'pivotal discovery' on Covid-19 breakthrough infections that led to new mask guidance
This is the source document
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
Summary
What is already known about this topic?
Variants of SARS-CoV-2 continue to emerge. The B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant is highly transmissible.
What is added by this report?
In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Jurisdictions might consider expanded prevention strategies, including universal masking in indoor public settings, particularly for large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.
Get vaccinated and Wimpy will give you a free filter coffee
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/free-wimpy-coffee-if-you-are-covid-19-vaccinated-2021-8
2 August 2021
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/free-wimpy-coffee-if-you-are-covid-19-vaccinated-2021-8
2 August 2021
- Wimpy will now give you a free cup of coffee if you show proof of a Covid-19 vaccination.
- You have to claim within 48 hours of getting the jab, and there are no substitutions.
Germany eases SA travel ban – and fully vaccinated visitors can avoid quarantine
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/travel-to-germany-for-vaccinated-south-africans-2021-8
2 August 2021
"...Bringing an end to the seven-month ban, Germany’s reclassification allows certain South African travellers to enter the country. This applies to travellers who:
And while there has been debate around South Africa’s vaccine certificate – and if it is recognised by European Union (EU) authorities using the Digital Green Certificate – Germany says it will accept physical cards as proof if they contain the following details:
Fully vaccinated travellers won’t be forced to endure a mandatory quarantine period.
Unvaccinated travellers, who need to provide a negative Covid-19 PCR test result within 72 hours of arriving in Germany, will be forced to quarantine for at least five days.
Proof of recovery – in the form of a positive PCR test result carried out at least 28 days, but no more than six months, previously – can also be used to exempt the traveller from quarantine."
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/travel-to-germany-for-vaccinated-south-africans-2021-8
2 August 2021
"...Bringing an end to the seven-month ban, Germany’s reclassification allows certain South African travellers to enter the country. This applies to travellers who:
- Have a current long-term residence permit from an EU or Schengen country, and their families.
- Serve in an important role or have an urgent need to travel (including students and people immigrating to Germany to join their families).
- Have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19, with doses approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
And while there has been debate around South Africa’s vaccine certificate – and if it is recognised by European Union (EU) authorities using the Digital Green Certificate – Germany says it will accept physical cards as proof if they contain the following details:
- The personal data of the vaccinated person (at least family name, first name and date of birth or Passport/ID-Card-no.)
- Date of vaccination and number of vaccinations
- Name of vaccine,
- Name of disease vaccinated against,
- Name and address of the person/institution responsible for administering the vaccine
Fully vaccinated travellers won’t be forced to endure a mandatory quarantine period.
Unvaccinated travellers, who need to provide a negative Covid-19 PCR test result within 72 hours of arriving in Germany, will be forced to quarantine for at least five days.
Proof of recovery – in the form of a positive PCR test result carried out at least 28 days, but no more than six months, previously – can also be used to exempt the traveller from quarantine."
Philippine president told unvaccinated people 'for all I care, you can die any time'
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/philippines-president-tells-vaccine-deniers-die-any-time-2021-7
2 August 2021
"The president of the Philippines said he doesn't care if people who deny the coronavirus vaccine die from the virus. Rodrigo Duterte told a national address on Wednesday: "For those who do not want it, well, for all I care, you can die anytime."
He also said he wants the police to restrict the movement of people who refuse coronavirus vaccines: "To those people who do not want to be vaccinated, I am telling you, don't go out of your house."
"If you go out of your house, I will tell the police to return you to your home. You will be escorted back to your house because you are a walking spreader."...
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/philippines-president-tells-vaccine-deniers-die-any-time-2021-7
2 August 2021
"The president of the Philippines said he doesn't care if people who deny the coronavirus vaccine die from the virus. Rodrigo Duterte told a national address on Wednesday: "For those who do not want it, well, for all I care, you can die anytime."
He also said he wants the police to restrict the movement of people who refuse coronavirus vaccines: "To those people who do not want to be vaccinated, I am telling you, don't go out of your house."
"If you go out of your house, I will tell the police to return you to your home. You will be escorted back to your house because you are a walking spreader."...
Wuhan: Chinese city to test entire population after virus resurfaces
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58066744
3 August 2021
"Authorities in the Chinese city of Wuhan will begin testing its entire population, after a handful of positive coronavirus cases were detected there.
Wuhan has recorded seven locally transmitted cases - the first local infections in more than a year.
The city of 11 million people shot into the spotlight after the coronavirus was first detected there in 2019.
China is currently seeing one of its biggest outbreaks in months, with 300 cases detected in 10 days.
Some 15 provinces across the country have been affected, which has led to the government rolling out mass testing measures and lockdown restrictions.
Authorities have attributed the spread of the virus to the highly contagious Delta variant and the domestic tourism season."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58066744
3 August 2021
"Authorities in the Chinese city of Wuhan will begin testing its entire population, after a handful of positive coronavirus cases were detected there.
Wuhan has recorded seven locally transmitted cases - the first local infections in more than a year.
The city of 11 million people shot into the spotlight after the coronavirus was first detected there in 2019.
China is currently seeing one of its biggest outbreaks in months, with 300 cases detected in 10 days.
Some 15 provinces across the country have been affected, which has led to the government rolling out mass testing measures and lockdown restrictions.
Authorities have attributed the spread of the virus to the highly contagious Delta variant and the domestic tourism season."
Medical aids cannot force members to get the Covid-19 vaccine
https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/...-vaccine-a1a4d289-5669-4f2c-94aa-28724939744f
3 August 2021
"THE Board of Healthcare Funders (BHF), South Africa’s biggest medical member body, says existing health laws prohibit any medical aid scheme from forcing members to vaccinate.
The BHF comment follows an announcement by insurer Discovery Life, that from July 29, all new clients who take insurance policies would be asked if they had been vaccinated against Covid-19.
The BHF represents 5.5 million lives, from 38 of South Africa’s 78 medical schemes. Charlton Murove, BHF head of research, said medical aid schemes applied community ratings.
“Regardless of your health status or age, members pay the same amount. Whether you are 60 or 25, if you are in the same benefit package then you pay the same rate.”
“We expect that other life insurers will follow the same route to mitigate their risk.”
Responding to The Mercury query about whether Discovery Life would give its life insurance members a higher premium based on their refusal to vaccinate, Discovery Life chief executive Riaan van Reenen said not necessarily.
“New Discovery Life clients are eligible to receive the Vaccination Max Payback offer, up to their full first year’s premiums back, if they are vaccinated or commit to being vaccinated.
“New Discovery Life clients who don’t want to be vaccinated will get a fair risk rating based on their age and underlying health conditions, but will unfortunately miss out on the added benefits that our vaccinated Discovery Life clients will get,” said Van Reenen.
Responding to The Mercury, Discovery Health said there were no underwriting changes for its current or prospective medical aid members, adding that the benefit was available only to people applying for life insurance through Discovery Life from this point onwards.
He said they believe that policyholders who choose to vaccinate and reduce their risk of dying should benefit from their healthy choices, rather than pay for the relatively higher risk of policyholders who choose not to get vaccinated.
“The principle is similar to applying discounts to non-smokers and loadings to smokers – everyone ends up paying a fair premium,” said Van Reenen.
“Discovery Health members are reminded that their treatment for Covid-19 is fully covered, as a Prescribed Minimum Benefit, and their vaccine is also fully covered and paid for (not from their medical savings account).
Murove said life insurance laws were not the same: “They can ask for a medical exam and, based on that, then they can determine the premium that you are supposed to pay."
https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/...-vaccine-a1a4d289-5669-4f2c-94aa-28724939744f
3 August 2021
"THE Board of Healthcare Funders (BHF), South Africa’s biggest medical member body, says existing health laws prohibit any medical aid scheme from forcing members to vaccinate.
The BHF comment follows an announcement by insurer Discovery Life, that from July 29, all new clients who take insurance policies would be asked if they had been vaccinated against Covid-19.
The BHF represents 5.5 million lives, from 38 of South Africa’s 78 medical schemes. Charlton Murove, BHF head of research, said medical aid schemes applied community ratings.
“Regardless of your health status or age, members pay the same amount. Whether you are 60 or 25, if you are in the same benefit package then you pay the same rate.”
“We expect that other life insurers will follow the same route to mitigate their risk.”
Responding to The Mercury query about whether Discovery Life would give its life insurance members a higher premium based on their refusal to vaccinate, Discovery Life chief executive Riaan van Reenen said not necessarily.
“New Discovery Life clients are eligible to receive the Vaccination Max Payback offer, up to their full first year’s premiums back, if they are vaccinated or commit to being vaccinated.
“New Discovery Life clients who don’t want to be vaccinated will get a fair risk rating based on their age and underlying health conditions, but will unfortunately miss out on the added benefits that our vaccinated Discovery Life clients will get,” said Van Reenen.
Responding to The Mercury, Discovery Health said there were no underwriting changes for its current or prospective medical aid members, adding that the benefit was available only to people applying for life insurance through Discovery Life from this point onwards.
He said they believe that policyholders who choose to vaccinate and reduce their risk of dying should benefit from their healthy choices, rather than pay for the relatively higher risk of policyholders who choose not to get vaccinated.
“The principle is similar to applying discounts to non-smokers and loadings to smokers – everyone ends up paying a fair premium,” said Van Reenen.
“Discovery Health members are reminded that their treatment for Covid-19 is fully covered, as a Prescribed Minimum Benefit, and their vaccine is also fully covered and paid for (not from their medical savings account).
Murove said life insurance laws were not the same: “They can ask for a medical exam and, based on that, then they can determine the premium that you are supposed to pay."
SA cruises set sail from November – but not all ships agree on mandatory vaccines
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/d...-to-board-cruise-ships-in-south-africa-2021-7
2 August 2021
Some cruise liners have already opted for a controversial two-class system – one for vaccinated passengers and the other for those unvaccinated – which limits interactions between those on board. Royal Caribbean's 4,275-passenger Freedom of the Seas is one such ship, which allows fully vaccinated passengers – identified by a wristband – to enjoy all facilities onboard, while unvaccinated passengers are barred from entering the sushi bar, casino, or spa, according to a Bloomberg report.
Other ships, like those operated by Norwegian Cruise Line, have a strict policy of only allowing fully vaccinated passengers – and staff – to be onboard.
"Whilst each cruise lines have different policies, at the moment most cruise lines, like Oceania Cruises and Holland America Line are planning to sail with fully vaccinated crews and passengers only, for now," said Davidson.
"These rules might also change later on. For instance, Norwegian Cruise Line has put in this rule until the 31 October 2021. It will however be extended or updated after that as the situation develops."
MSC Cruises will adopt a different approach when returning to South African seas, one which puts more emphasis on testing than on vaccines.
"In the short to medium term MSC Cruises is prepared for the hybrid situation of safely transporting vaccinated and unvaccinated guests with the support of our rigorous universal testing procedures and other measures under our industry leading protocol," said Volk...
All passengers boarding the MSC Musica in November "will still have to have antigen swab tests prior to embarkation." An extra layer of testing will apply to unvaccinated passengers, who will be required to undertake an RT-PCR COVID-19 test 72 hours before they arrive at the cruise terminal."
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/d...-to-board-cruise-ships-in-south-africa-2021-7
2 August 2021
- Cruise liners have been missing from South African waters for more than a year, despite Cape Town and Durban recently upgrading their terminals to entice passenger ships.
- But at least two major cruise liners are expected to return to South Africa in November and December.
- One says it will allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated passengers on board.
- The other has a policy in place which allows only fully vaccinated passengers to cruise.
Some cruise liners have already opted for a controversial two-class system – one for vaccinated passengers and the other for those unvaccinated – which limits interactions between those on board. Royal Caribbean's 4,275-passenger Freedom of the Seas is one such ship, which allows fully vaccinated passengers – identified by a wristband – to enjoy all facilities onboard, while unvaccinated passengers are barred from entering the sushi bar, casino, or spa, according to a Bloomberg report.
Other ships, like those operated by Norwegian Cruise Line, have a strict policy of only allowing fully vaccinated passengers – and staff – to be onboard.
"Whilst each cruise lines have different policies, at the moment most cruise lines, like Oceania Cruises and Holland America Line are planning to sail with fully vaccinated crews and passengers only, for now," said Davidson.
"These rules might also change later on. For instance, Norwegian Cruise Line has put in this rule until the 31 October 2021. It will however be extended or updated after that as the situation develops."
MSC Cruises will adopt a different approach when returning to South African seas, one which puts more emphasis on testing than on vaccines.
"In the short to medium term MSC Cruises is prepared for the hybrid situation of safely transporting vaccinated and unvaccinated guests with the support of our rigorous universal testing procedures and other measures under our industry leading protocol," said Volk...
All passengers boarding the MSC Musica in November "will still have to have antigen swab tests prior to embarkation." An extra layer of testing will apply to unvaccinated passengers, who will be required to undertake an RT-PCR COVID-19 test 72 hours before they arrive at the cruise terminal."
Fourth wave looms
https://www.enca.com/news/covid-19-fourth-wave-looms
3 August 2021
"As government scrambles to step up its vaccination drive, a COVID-19 fourth wave could be on its way. Only three million South Africans are fully vaccinated.
The Health Department's Nicolas Crisp says that the timing of the first three waves could mean we are in for another in October and November.
National Institute of Communicable Disease's Prof Adrian Puren said: "We always have variants. I think it's the variants that are critical, in terms of transmissibility, pathogenicity, as well as immune evasion."
Professor Puren said surveillance of the progress of the virus is important.
[And a fifth wave after the Dec./Jan. holiday season, me thinks.]
https://www.enca.com/news/covid-19-fourth-wave-looms
3 August 2021
"As government scrambles to step up its vaccination drive, a COVID-19 fourth wave could be on its way. Only three million South Africans are fully vaccinated.
The Health Department's Nicolas Crisp says that the timing of the first three waves could mean we are in for another in October and November.
National Institute of Communicable Disease's Prof Adrian Puren said: "We always have variants. I think it's the variants that are critical, in terms of transmissibility, pathogenicity, as well as immune evasion."
Professor Puren said surveillance of the progress of the virus is important.
[And a fifth wave after the Dec./Jan. holiday season, me thinks.]
KIDS, TEENS WON'T RECEIVE COVID VACCINATIONS ANYTIME SOON, SAYS HEALTH DEPT
https://ewn.co.za/2021/08/03/kids-t...id-vaccinations-anytime-soon-says-health-dept
3 August 2021
"The national Health Department said that children and teenagers under 18 would not be receiving a COVID-19 vaccine anytime soon.
Deputy Director-General, Dr Nicholas Crisp, said that the priority right now was to reach the country's adult population.
Crisp said that children could, however, be eligible in the future.
“That's not to say that we won't find ourselves at some point down the line vaccinating children and it's not to say that children don't get the illness. In terms of getting the population coverage of vaccinations, the challenge and the immediate focus is older people and we’ll work our way down," he added.
More than three million people have now been fully vaccinated in this country."
https://ewn.co.za/2021/08/03/kids-t...id-vaccinations-anytime-soon-says-health-dept
3 August 2021
"The national Health Department said that children and teenagers under 18 would not be receiving a COVID-19 vaccine anytime soon.
Deputy Director-General, Dr Nicholas Crisp, said that the priority right now was to reach the country's adult population.
Crisp said that children could, however, be eligible in the future.
“That's not to say that we won't find ourselves at some point down the line vaccinating children and it's not to say that children don't get the illness. In terms of getting the population coverage of vaccinations, the challenge and the immediate focus is older people and we’ll work our way down," he added.
More than three million people have now been fully vaccinated in this country."
Sad for them thats why I haven't been to a restaurant in ages
I would only consider one if it was outside and tables spaced.
But that's just me
Same here @Silver. I haven't sat inside a restaurant since the latter part of 2019, before COVID. Nor have I been to a mall since 2019.
Western Cape urged to ’stop stupid, dangerous Covid-19 testing strategy’ as infections soar
https://www.iol.co.za/news/covid19/...ons-soar-d611ebed-5f35-4eee-85d9-a0b16a37dc42
3 August 2021
"Cape Town – With the Western Cape currently the Covid-19 epicentre in the country, Good party secretary-general Brett Herron, a member of the Western Cape legislature, wants the province to ’’stop this stupid, dangerous strategy of not testing people under the age of 45 who don’t present symptoms’’.
’’It doesn’t help us in containing this transmission. It sounds like Trump, the more people you test, the more positive cases you get, so you don’t test. We need to know how many people are infected in our province and the people who are infected need to know they are infected.’’
The Western Cape Health Department’s Mark van der Heever said last month: “Testing is to ensure we detect confirmed cases in the most vulnerable and to act quickly. If (we are) testing everyone, we will end up with backlogs and not get to protect those vulnerable groups.”
Health officials only test for Covid-19 in people in the province who are symptomatic and 45 years and older; all persons who are symptomatic with co-morbidities; all persons who are symptomatic and in need of hospitalisation, healthcare workers and people living in congregate settings.
Herron’s response to IOL on Tuesday over the fears of creating a testing bottleneck was: ’’So they can hide the positive rate by suppressing the number of tests, but they can’t deny the pressure and strain on hospitals.
’’I heard Dr Cloete, the head of Health, on Friday afternoon on the radio say, ’if you happen to be injured this weekend or have any trauma, there is no space in critical care for you’. For that reason alone, the numbers are not accurate.
’’If they are suppressing the numbers so they can keep the economy open, if their focus is solely on the economy, they are actually not helping the economy because more and more people are getting sick.’’
President Cyril Ramaphosa and acting Health Minister Mmamoloko Kubayi are considering enforcing stricter lockdown restrictions in the Western Cape, but Premier Alan Winde's view is that with the province approaching its peak of infections, restrictions need to strike the right balance, with the growing unemployment rate being a major concern..."
https://www.iol.co.za/news/covid19/...ons-soar-d611ebed-5f35-4eee-85d9-a0b16a37dc42
3 August 2021
"Cape Town – With the Western Cape currently the Covid-19 epicentre in the country, Good party secretary-general Brett Herron, a member of the Western Cape legislature, wants the province to ’’stop this stupid, dangerous strategy of not testing people under the age of 45 who don’t present symptoms’’.
’’It doesn’t help us in containing this transmission. It sounds like Trump, the more people you test, the more positive cases you get, so you don’t test. We need to know how many people are infected in our province and the people who are infected need to know they are infected.’’
The Western Cape Health Department’s Mark van der Heever said last month: “Testing is to ensure we detect confirmed cases in the most vulnerable and to act quickly. If (we are) testing everyone, we will end up with backlogs and not get to protect those vulnerable groups.”
Health officials only test for Covid-19 in people in the province who are symptomatic and 45 years and older; all persons who are symptomatic with co-morbidities; all persons who are symptomatic and in need of hospitalisation, healthcare workers and people living in congregate settings.
Herron’s response to IOL on Tuesday over the fears of creating a testing bottleneck was: ’’So they can hide the positive rate by suppressing the number of tests, but they can’t deny the pressure and strain on hospitals.
’’I heard Dr Cloete, the head of Health, on Friday afternoon on the radio say, ’if you happen to be injured this weekend or have any trauma, there is no space in critical care for you’. For that reason alone, the numbers are not accurate.
’’If they are suppressing the numbers so they can keep the economy open, if their focus is solely on the economy, they are actually not helping the economy because more and more people are getting sick.’’
President Cyril Ramaphosa and acting Health Minister Mmamoloko Kubayi are considering enforcing stricter lockdown restrictions in the Western Cape, but Premier Alan Winde's view is that with the province approaching its peak of infections, restrictions need to strike the right balance, with the growing unemployment rate being a major concern..."
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