Magma 100W Mod vs Reo Grand

[Gizmo]

I know I might get flamed for this but this is my opinion of the Magma on an Electronic mod ( preferably a 50W+ device) vs Reo Grand Mechanical mod and why I feel the magma & mod setup is a better overall experience. I still will use both and enjoy both, but I feel this setup is also very strong and deserves recognition.

Ask @Rowan Francis who has used this setup for about 2 months now and hasn't looked back.​

** Please remember this is my opinion, I would like people to look at this objectively **
I also plan to do a video soon to compare the two in detail why I think the magma needs more recognition.​

MAGMA Pros:

1. Hold 2ML's of juice
2. No Squanking
3. Airflow control as standard
4. Very easy to fill actually ( Take the drip tip off squirt a bit down - done deal )
5. On new regulated device ( 100w ) you can fire at far higher power bands than any mech mod could.
6. The vape is consistent all day.
7. More configuration options depending on the device attached, such as dual 18650's etc etc.

Magma Cons:

1. It is still a dripper

REO Pros:

1. Nearly Indestructible
2. 6ML juice bottle attached to the tank for easier dripping
3. Size is very comfortable
4. Has a strong, friendly and dedicated following
5. Can handle sub-ohm quite well

Reo Cons:

1. Squanking really isn't easy ( well for me, I have always had issues with it )
2. Can be unattractive to some
3. Limited to mech mods power and thus inconsistency
4. Mechs = Poor battery life

Now, for those of you that feel I am being ridiculous, I need some of you to actually try it. The Magma is seriously underrated and deserves the light of day. Its a semi-tank in my opinion with all the joys of a dripper.​

 

[Rob Fisher]

I'm sure the vape is good... but the problem for me anyway is the one con you mention... it's a dripper.... and this is a deal killer for me. I want a device i can go out with and not worry and also put in my pocket and still get an awesome vape from. For me a dripper is a desk bound device. I know some people would argue that but for me anyway it's a desk device.

But I'm happy there are a plethora of devices because different people like different things.

 

[Gizmo]

I Agree, I forgot to mention another con with the Magma, is that it can leak if put upside down etc. Where the reo maybe not as much.

I also want to mention that these new GI2's that don't down-regulate like SX or dna chips do, allow for ridiculous low ohms, thus acting like a beast of a mech. The device is playing a big role here as well.

 

[ET]

and of course you could consider a magma on a reo

 

[Mike]

Have you fired the Magma at high wattages? How does it hold up then?

 

[Matt]

I am using my reo now if I go to work. But when I get home I love to fill up the magma. Flavour wise for me nothing beats the magma.
Considering to get a bf one to try on the reo.

 

[Gizmo]

Mike I have fired up to 75Ws and no burnt taste at 0.15

 

[Al3x]

I agree the vape on a reg mod is very consistent but the bottom Fed on the reo is super convenient. I am gonna say it once again even though I know I am going to be crucified but the perfect mod is going to be a regulated bottom Fed or as I put it a reogelei my mission in the next couple of months a reo sigelei mixture

 

[VapeSnow]

I think it would be great to have both setups. Im getting my Reo now but considering big time to get myself a gi2 as well.

The magma is not for me as i love my big clouds and this is not a cloud rda. But if you are a flavor junkie then the magma is for you.

I will always go back to the stillare and think it will make a good combo with the gi2.

 

[Gizmo]

I think it would be great to have both setups. Im getting my Reo now but considering big time to get myself a gi2 as well.

The magma is not for me as i love my big clouds and this is not a cloud rda. But if you are a flavor junkie then the magma is for you.

I will always go back to the stillare and think it will make a good combo with the gi2.

It's great to have both thats a fact right there

 

[Rob Fisher]

One thing is for sure... there are exciting devices a coming! And the thought of a Sigelinaut would get me a little excited!

 

[Alex]

The magma is indeed a great RDA, providing really awesome flavour. My buddy used his exclusively for two months before getting a Reo.

I like changing up RDA's every few days, as each one has something slightly different to offer.

 

[Lee]

I am using my reo now if I go to work. But when I get home I love to fill up the magma. Flavour wise for me nothing beats the magma.
Considering to get a bf one to try on the reo.

Does anybody know where to get a bf magma? I believe the search for the perfect atty for a Reo would end right there!

 

[WHeunis]

and of course you could consider a magma on a reo

Somehow, just the way the Magma looks inside... this doesn't seem practical.
By appearances alone, the wick lays in the pool/cup of liquid sucking it into the coils.
But with a Reo, after you squonk the suction would take all that juice back to the bottle.

Honestly, just my opinion - BF Magma doesn't sound awesome.

 

[Matt]

Does anybody know where to get a bf magma? I believe the search for the perfect atty for a Reo would end right there!

Vapeclub has them.

 

[Rob Fisher]

Does anybody know where to get a bf magma? I believe the search for the perfect atty for a Reo would end right there!

On special http://www.vapeclub.co.za/collections/rebuild-able-atomisers/products/magma

Tell @JakesSA you want a BF version.

 

[Andre]

What I see above is a comparison (pro and cons) between an atomizer (Magma) and a mechanical mod (Reo). Thus, not comparing apples with apples.
Maybe a better comparison would have been a Magma on a 100W device vs a Magma on a Reo Grand?

And, as an aside, the whole idea with a high power device (like a 100W mod) is that you can use quick firing wire (like 28, 29 or 30g), but still have a lot or real estate (wraps) to vaporize more effectively. Thus, you can build high resistance, quick firing coils and use the power of the device to override the resistance. With mechanical mods the opposite is true - you need thicker (slower firing wire) to get enough real estate and low enough ohms for effective vaporisation.

I have not yet used a Magma on either an electronic mod or on a Reo, but have to agree with @WHeunis, those deep wells could cook your juice if you have it filled to the claimed 2mls - I would not really know. Maybe it is more effective on a Reo where the juice is sucked back into the bottle. Know some Reonauts here had/have Magnas, but they are not really featuring in our Reoville forum. Know some did not like the overhang on the Reo.

 

[Tom]

What I see above is a comparison (pro and cons) between an atomizer (Magma) and a mechanical mod (Reo). Thus, not comparing apples with apples.
Maybe a better comparison would have been a Magma on a 100W device vs a Magma on a Reo Grand?

And, as an aside, the whole idea with a high power device (like a 100W mod) is that you can use quick firing wire (like 28, 29 or 30g), but still have a lot or real estate (wraps) to vaporize more effectively. Thus, you can build high resistance, quick firing coils and use the power of the device to override the resistance. With mechanical mods the opposite is true - you need thicker (slower firing wire) to get enough real estate and low enough ohms for effective vaporisation.

I have not yet used a Magma on either an electronic mod or on a Reo, but have to agree with @WHeunis, those deep wells could cook your juice if you have it filled to the claimed 2mls - I would not really know. Maybe it is more effective on a Reo where the juice is sucked back into the bottle. Know some Reonauts here had/have Magnas, but they are not really featuring in our Reoville forum. Know some did not like the overhang on the Reo.

only to an extent...i.e. 7V maximum and a 1 ohm coil would not produce higher wattage then 49W.



higher ohms will make it even less output.

 

[Andre]

only to an extent...i.e. 7V maximum and a 1 ohm coil would not produce higher wattage then 49W.

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higher ohms will make it even less output.

For sure, but still much more scope powerwise than a mechanical mod.
This post on ECF explains much better where high power electronic mods shine: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ughts-about-sub-ohm-latest-vv-vw-devices.html

 

[Tom]

For sure, but still much more scope powerwise than a mechanical mod.
This post on ECF explains much better where high power electronic mods shine: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ughts-about-sub-ohm-latest-vv-vw-devices.html

gr8 explainations!

 

[BumbleBee]

For sure, but still much more scope powerwise than a mechanical mod.
This post on ECF explains much better where high power electronic mods shine: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ughts-about-sub-ohm-latest-vv-vw-devices.html

Great find @Andre, I understand this all much better now thanks!

 

[Yiannaki]

@Andre and @WHeunis

The one thing i disliked about the magma as an atty for the reo is that once the juice enters the deck, it doesn't really drain back out.

Have a look at this pic. The pink dot is where the bf hole is made

The juice enters the deck from the top of that ceramic piece on the deck. This sits fairly high, meaning that the only way juice could potentially feed back down into the bottle is if the level of liquid surpasses that ceramic piece. Which i think is already way too much in there at that stage!

 

[Arctus]

I have to agree with Gizmo that the magma is a much underrated dripper, it has become my "go-to" dripper of late, I run it on a straight mech, not a Reo because squonking doesn't appeal to me, but that's just personal choice.

Now this is where trade off's come in, personally I felt I got slightly better flavour from the atomic, but I prefer the magma due to its larger juice well, and after reading rusirius's post on ECF, I now suspect I know why.
Heat flux, as he explains, is the amount of heat being released in a given area, so the smaller the area, the better or more efficient the heat flux achieved, given the same coils and the same juice across both atty's, as the atomic has a smaller chamber than the magma. Again, my personal preference is still for the magma due to convenience, (not having to drip as often)

Speaking about heat flux, also raises further issues such as heat flux being improved though the use of flat ribbon instead of round wire, as you would be increasing your area that creates heat, thereby also improving heat flux in the same given area.

Also, would heat flux be better achieved with an ugly spaced coil or a normal straight coil.

Rusirius's comments regarding wicking speed also raises the question, will we eventually see juice makers reverting to higher PG levels in their juices to assist with a juices wicking speed now that modern regulated mods can place a higher demand on wicking.

Totally unrelated on the subject, we sometimes state the one wicking material "carries" flavour better than another, it just occurred to me that maybe its not about "carrying" flavour, maybe its just that because one material wicks better than another, a larger amount of juice to be vaporized is delivered to the coil at a time, creating more vapour which would contain more flavour. (I know, I know, but its late and I'm tired)

And finally, I'm still not convinced that I would ever need a 100W or higher mod, but I guess there is only one way to find that out.

 

[Paulie]

I love my magma its great dripper and agree with all the above points but since i got the Odin i dont even use my magma any more as it has given me better flavor with 9-12 draws before i need to squonk on my Reo! so if you love the Magma you will love the Odin!

 

[Andre]

Again, my personal preference is still for the magma due to convenience, (not having to drip as often)

Of course, I cannot resist in saying, with a Reo you need not drip at all, but still get the dripper experience.