Premium Juice Prices In Perspective
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I do think that passionate argument without personal attacks is healthy
It just takes some skill not to offend or feel offended.
I do wish to try http://www.bombies.com/nana-cream/ come on guys. 
Part of the marketing out there is that I would save money if I switched.
The main reason I switched to vaping was because of the promissed savings. The health benefits are a bonus, but I wasn't really feeling negativly effects by smoking, so at no stage has it been a driver for me. But when I started researching vaping , I couldn't get the purported savings to match up - when a premium juice goes at R200 for 20ml.
The average person seems to vape between 2-3ml. So, it ends up costing you R20-R30 a day just on juice. I was smoking princeton at R20 a day. I currently vape about 4-5ml a day, so if I was buying premium juices, I'd be closer to R50 a day. That's R30 a day in additional costs Maybe if I was a 40 a day smoker, then yeah, definatly worth it, but I wasnt.
So, at the moment I mix my own mostly, and will buy the odd juice just for a change up. I mix a kick ass cherry menthol juice that works me to about R1.50 a ml + about 30mins of my time once a week.
The bad thing is the new little toys are eating up all my savings and a lot more.
But at least I'm having fun mixing, building new coils, getting vapemail and the health benefits are kicking in.
The main reason I switched to vaping was because of the promissed savings. The health benefits are a bonus, but I wasn't really feeling negativly effects by smoking, so at no stage has it been a driver for me. But when I started researching vaping , I couldn't get the purported savings to match up - when a premium juice goes at R200 for 20ml.
The average person seems to vape between 2-3ml. So, it ends up costing you R20-R30 a day just on juice. I was smoking princeton at R20 a day. I currently vape about 4-5ml a day, so if I was buying premium juices, I'd be closer to R50 a day. That's R30 a day in additional costs
Maybe if I was a 40 a day smoker, then yeah, definatly worth it, but I wasnt.So, at the moment I mix my own mostly, and will buy the odd juice just for a change up. I mix a kick ass cherry menthol juice that works me to about R1.50 a ml + about 30mins of my time once a week.
The bad thing is the new little toys are eating up all my savings and a lot more.
But at least I'm having fun mixing, building new coils, getting vapemail and the health benefits are kicking in.
I used to have a small farm and essential oil business 10 years ago. We grew mainly lavender and extracted the oils and sold it on to the cosmetic industry.
I started the business after developing an extraction machine that used supercritical liquids. A substance is supercritical when it has the properties of a liquid and a gas at the same time. Liquids can carry large amounts of matter, like a river can sweep away large rocks, but they are not as good as a gas for penetrating the plant matter and removing stuff, if you use a supercritical liquid, it penetrates like a gas but can also carry large amounts of whatever you are trying to extract. I used liquid carbon dioxide as it leaves no harmful residues and no heat is required. Unlike traditional cold extraction methods you don't have to press anything which damages the cell structure of the plant which releases other harmful tars etc. It also takes seconds to complete and not hours and days like other cold pressing methods. Large companies like Coca Cola use these machines built large scale that cost millions.
Mixing a few liquids and bottling them really is money for jam, try planting the stuff, growing it and then extracting it if you think it's a mission.
The method for vaping liquids that we use today was first employed in smoke machines in discos in the late 70's.
They dump glycerin onto a hot coil and blow it out with a fan, so I'm not sure if SA or any other country or person could lay claim to pioneering this way of creating artificial smoke. In fact you could probably buy a disco smoke machine for less than some of the top mods and make the meanest vape known to man.
Given that many of the flavouring used today have been linked to hyperactivity and many other medical problems it seems crazy to stop smoking tobacco then replace it with concoctions that have many flavours added. If I told you I had a substance that was 100% natural and farmed organically with no pesticides etc which you could smoke, it might seem to be the way to go but that is what tobacco can be.
How your stomach digests chemicals and how your lungs process chemicals are worlds apart. Just because a flavour had been deemed safe for eating does not mean it is safe to vape. Popcorn lung being a good example.
You are probably taking more of a risk with your health by vaping with flavours than by smoking tobacco, remember that it took 25 years before the medical comunity declared smoking tobacco harmful. The situation is even worse with vaping as there is no legislation to protect the health of consumers and many of the companies pioneering the field have no expertise or qualifications in the preparation of these liquids.
You wont see any of the companies backing up claims made in forums such as this on their bottles and labelling, instead they use meaningless epitaphs such as "Premium".
It's a shame that a method of getting a nicotine fix without giving you lung cancer has been perverted so quickly into another high risk activity and it's no coincidence that the cost of vaping with a premium liquid is so similar to the cost of smoking regular cigarettes.
I started the business after developing an extraction machine that used supercritical liquids. A substance is supercritical when it has the properties of a liquid and a gas at the same time. Liquids can carry large amounts of matter, like a river can sweep away large rocks, but they are not as good as a gas for penetrating the plant matter and removing stuff, if you use a supercritical liquid, it penetrates like a gas but can also carry large amounts of whatever you are trying to extract. I used liquid carbon dioxide as it leaves no harmful residues and no heat is required. Unlike traditional cold extraction methods you don't have to press anything which damages the cell structure of the plant which releases other harmful tars etc. It also takes seconds to complete and not hours and days like other cold pressing methods. Large companies like Coca Cola use these machines built large scale that cost millions.
Mixing a few liquids and bottling them really is money for jam, try planting the stuff, growing it and then extracting it if you think it's a mission.
The method for vaping liquids that we use today was first employed in smoke machines in discos in the late 70's.
They dump glycerin onto a hot coil and blow it out with a fan, so I'm not sure if SA or any other country or person could lay claim to pioneering this way of creating artificial smoke. In fact you could probably buy a disco smoke machine for less than some of the top mods and make the meanest vape known to man.
Given that many of the flavouring used today have been linked to hyperactivity and many other medical problems it seems crazy to stop smoking tobacco then replace it with concoctions that have many flavours added. If I told you I had a substance that was 100% natural and farmed organically with no pesticides etc which you could smoke, it might seem to be the way to go but that is what tobacco can be.
How your stomach digests chemicals and how your lungs process chemicals are worlds apart. Just because a flavour had been deemed safe for eating does not mean it is safe to vape. Popcorn lung being a good example.
You are probably taking more of a risk with your health by vaping with flavours than by smoking tobacco, remember that it took 25 years before the medical comunity declared smoking tobacco harmful. The situation is even worse with vaping as there is no legislation to protect the health of consumers and many of the companies pioneering the field have no expertise or qualifications in the preparation of these liquids.
You wont see any of the companies backing up claims made in forums such as this on their bottles and labelling, instead they use meaningless epitaphs such as "Premium".
It's a shame that a method of getting a nicotine fix without giving you lung cancer has been perverted so quickly into another high risk activity and it's no coincidence that the cost of vaping with a premium liquid is so similar to the cost of smoking regular cigarettes.
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@PeterHarris See what happens when you go make fun on other forums 
@Paul interesting background, please let the forum know a bit more about your vaping journey too. How long have you smoked before turning to vaping? Are u feeling better health wise since then? I do, the whistle that seemed to have been implanted in my chest and kept me from falling asleep has disappeared. I have a better taste for good foods nowadays. I know that there might be some kind of undetected health risk from vaping too, but there might be none. Until this is established I am happy with having replaced cigarette smoking with vaping. Who knows....maybe one day I will not vape, or smoke....but right now I want a bit of pleasure. And vaping is one of my pleasures. I prefer this to having daily beers in front of the TV too.
Hi @Paul, you bring up an interesting yet disturbing issue
What makes it worse is that us vapers WANT to believe that vaping is a much healthier form of nicotine delivery.
I hear you that it took 25 years for medical specialists to declare smoking harmful but I would hope that research on vaping safety would be much quicker given the precedent of smoking.
We can only hope and keep our eyes and ears open on this topic
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Wait what now - im missing somthing here-- what did i do now lol@PeterHarris See what happens when you go make fun on other forums
The FDA has been testing e-cigs for much longer than they will have you know.
Many e-liquid companies now actually present samples of their products to the FDA for testing, as a certificate stating that the product is fairly save makes a fantastic decorative piece. The points you make are a fantastic read, but it's like a script to an X-files episode. Probable, yet highly unlikely backed by the facts that we have today. You're asuming none of us do our home work...
You think people in office would have allowed this giant to spin out of control as fast as it did and be happy with all the money they are losing out on tobacco taxes? Hell some people are only put into office if they can promise that the income from tobacco tax will not decrease. Smokers are now being forced to vape as the vape scene caused cigarette prices to triple literally overnight. It's very poetic.
They tried to nip this thing in the butt since day one. If there was something that could be found, they would have found it by now. Every now and then something does pop up, but if you see the product that was tested, I'm not surprised either.
So now, after all their trial and error they zeroed in on the last thing that leaves them with a foot to stand on. Nicotine. And innovation will always triumph. They wanted to regulate pre-filled cartridges. We stopped making pre-filled cartridges and turned to tanks. We were not allow to market it as a quit smoking product, we started calling them alternatives. They started putting it under the tobacco and related substances act, we asked how is it related?
Every Tom, Bob and Harry has a mod in USA these days. You see them everywhere. They can stall us, to cash in on a few more years of tax, and if they can't get it from tobacco they will make up for it with high duties on liquid nic, but they can't stop us. It's just way too late.
It didn't take specialists "25 years" to declare tobacco harmful. No one likes a pay cut. It took 25 years to put them under enough pressure to actually declare it. The actual test only took a minute.
Many e-liquid companies now actually present samples of their products to the FDA for testing, as a certificate stating that the product is fairly save makes a fantastic decorative piece. The points you make are a fantastic read, but it's like a script to an X-files episode. Probable, yet highly unlikely backed by the facts that we have today. You're asuming none of us do our home work...
You think people in office would have allowed this giant to spin out of control as fast as it did and be happy with all the money they are losing out on tobacco taxes? Hell some people are only put into office if they can promise that the income from tobacco tax will not decrease. Smokers are now being forced to vape as the vape scene caused cigarette prices to triple literally overnight. It's very poetic.
They tried to nip this thing in the butt since day one. If there was something that could be found, they would have found it by now. Every now and then something does pop up, but if you see the product that was tested, I'm not surprised either.
So now, after all their trial and error they zeroed in on the last thing that leaves them with a foot to stand on. Nicotine. And innovation will always triumph. They wanted to regulate pre-filled cartridges. We stopped making pre-filled cartridges and turned to tanks. We were not allow to market it as a quit smoking product, we started calling them alternatives. They started putting it under the tobacco and related substances act, we asked how is it related?
Every Tom, Bob and Harry has a mod in USA these days. You see them everywhere. They can stall us, to cash in on a few more years of tax, and if they can't get it from tobacco they will make up for it with high duties on liquid nic, but they can't stop us. It's just way too late.
It didn't take specialists "25 years" to declare tobacco harmful. No one likes a pay cut. It took 25 years to put them under enough pressure to actually declare it. The actual test only took a minute.
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First vaped about 3 years ago, imported everything, too much hassle and with duty it was more expensive than smoking. Was like trying to suck a golfball through a hosepipe for a good hit. Went back to normal smokes after 9 months. This time I had to stop, I'm 50 and I race sailboats, catching my breath was costing me too much time, If I didn't stop smoking I would have to stop racing. I also build boats and often have to wear a respirator which makes it harder to breath than normal and I was battling after only a few hours.
After 2 weeks I could work all day with a respirator on without any problem and sailing is a big difference. I'm done with smoking whether I continue vaping is another story.
There are plenty of papers questioning links between food additives especially flavours and colours that have been linked with hyperactivity and other medical problems.
Not the X files but the Australian government.
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Food_additives
Here's a huge list with flavours that can cause problems.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/articles/122/dangerous-food-additives-to-avoid
It's not whether you do your homework or not, it's whether the customer is able to establish that you have done your homework which involves some sort of standards and testing. If the cost of premium is 6 times the average, then there are always going to be people prepared to add whatever they can legally or illegally add to make it taste like premium.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/16/doctors-who-e-cigarettes-tighter-controls
Legislation is coming and vapers should welcome it, we will be able to compare apples with apples when choosing products.
Love the exorcist cat thing.
Based on that list of of food additives to avoid, looks like the only safe thing to eat is organic meat and veggies. The funny thing is that almost all processed foods contain them. Eating a chocolate is just as bad as vaping based on the list. Funny no one is regulating or banning chocolates!
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You cant use tests carried out eating something to judge whether something is safe to vape.
Then I must be honest, I have absolutely no idea what relevance that link is in your post.
We must, as you yourself have said, compare apples with apples.
A list of food additives, based on your own line of argument, is not even worth considering since we are vaping it, yet you posted it in support of your argument.
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