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[Cat]

avatar image - not quite right, i must try transparency. ...Later. i've got too much else to attend to. it keeps expanding. Now this issue of WTA. And the added experimentation factor of addtives.

i had apple cider vinegar on my shopping list...but i stood there and looked at the balsamic vinegar, made from grape must...must, mos, maybethat would add something better to tobacco juices. Especially because they had awesome black bottles of italian balsamic vinegar in black glass bottles, aged in oak barrels, R154...and wine vinegar. Or just Safari balsamic vinegar? Although it had a nasty-sounding chemical preservative, the Italian stuff had good old sodium dioxide.
So i must google it, has anyone tried balsamic vinegar, for a musty, oak barrel touch to the tobacco.

You see, this is how hyped premium juice is made, they use stuff like that. Not just plain vinegar, black glass bottle Italian vinegar aged in oak barrels.

 

[free3dom]

The avatar is looking good for a first try...if you have layers, just erase the black bits at the bottom right corner (between the whiskers) and you'll be set

Additives seem to be an entire field of study all on it's own
I think I'll stick to the basics for now...but I'd love to hear what your experience is with that vinegar, aged in oak barrels - some "Black Cat Fallen" juice in the making perhaps

 

[Arthster]

Is it just me or is there way to much cotton going on here?

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[Andre]

i sent msg asking them to add South Africa.

Ah, great - please let us know what they say.

 

[Cat]

He added it. i just came back and saw email reply.

1 30ml bottle allowed per order, and $26 Priority Mail flat box.

But i'm not sure, what is 24mg alkaloids. Whole Tobacco Alkaloid... Alkaloid dosage is 24MG
They describe how nicotine extract that we buy is 99% of the alkaloids, and their process is aimed at getting the other 1% as well.
So is this to be used instead of nicotine base, or as an extra additive? i mean, are they somehow separating that other 1%?

i've yet to hear of anyone on the ecf NET thread, or the DIY tobacco extract thread using it.
The FAQ and the About Us there is interesting. Chemistry doctorates. Plural? And they..it originates from people on ecf. i now there are some very clever people there, and i think i recognise one of the names - or forum id's, maybe on the fb group.
Curiouser and curioser.

 

[Cat]

@free3dom , you should read the FAQ there. Really.interesting.
Much of it is cautionary/

i think it might relate to TH, what we are relating to TH, as well. i think it relates to what you said about TH and nicotine, i think it explains it, maybe. Crank up the TH and you get throat burn, or you get too much nicotine - like you're really trying to get the effect of the missing WTA, but all you get is more throat burn or too much nicotine, so the problem is not solved.

What does WTA taste like?
Taste is highly personal, some testers report tasting a very smooth, subtle tobacco taste with a more comprehensive throat sensation...
What does WTA feel like?
Again personal, some testers reported a calming effect. This sensation might be akin to smoking a cigarette first thing in the morning or after a long break. Others also reported reaching a satisfaction level which caused them to actually put down their e-cigarette for a while. ...

Let's say it's 24mg WTA. meaning nicotine alkaloids + most of the other WTA. Unflavoured VG. So you use your 12mg juice and sometimes you add a drop or two of WTA. Maybe in a special bottle, rather than adding it to the tank. It increases the nicotine from 12 to say 13mg. Instead of the 18mg nicotine overdose. It would affect the taste, but that's what you'd only find out by trying. Touch of menthol like in HH would help to cover it.

 

[Andre]

He added it. i just came back and saw email reply.

1 30ml bottle allowed per order, and $26 Priority Mail flat box.

But i'm not sure, what is 24mg alkaloids. Whole Tobacco Alkaloid... Alkaloid dosage is 24MG
They describe how nicotine extract that we buy is 99% of the alkaloids, and their process is aimed at getting the other 1% as well.
So is this to be used instead of nicotine base, or as an extra additive? i mean, are they somehow separating that other 1%?

i've yet to hear of anyone on the ecf NET thread, or the DIY tobacco extract thread using it.
The FAQ and the About Us there is interesting. Chemistry doctorates. Plural? And they..it originates from people on ecf. i now there are some very clever people there, and i think i recognise one of the names - or forum id's, maybe on the fb group.
Curiouser and curioser.

As I understood it, they have adapted the usual nicotine extraction process to also get the WTAs. So that would be 24 mg of nicotine, which also contains the WTAs. How much to add - see one reviewer says a few drops per 5 ml, who knows.
My problem is this: What if this really makes a difference and I have to have it, could become an expensive exercise. If I still had stinkies in between I would have considered the expense justified.

 

[Arthster]

Idiot question what is WTA short for?

 

[free3dom]

Idiot question what is WTA short for?

Whole Tobacco Alkaloid...it's some of the stuff in cigs other than the nicotine which is missing from vapor

I had to google it too at first - @Cat is on fire lately, teaching use many new and interesting acronyms

 

[Arthster]

Whole Tobacco Alkaloid...it's some of the stuff in cigs other than the nicotine which is missing from vapor

I had to google it too at first - @Cat is on fire lately, teaching use many new and interesting acronyms

Thanks,

Agree with @Cat being on fire... They grow up so fast

 

[Arthster]

Thanks,

Agree with @Cat being on fire... They grow up so fast

LMAO I just realized @Cat is on fire... any one else picked up on the Hunger Games connection here.

@Cat I have a new avatar for you

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[free3dom]

LMAO I just realized @Cat is on fire... any one else picked up on the Hunger Games connection here.

@Cat I have a new avatar for you

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Hahahaha, well caught
Sorry Cat(niss)

 

[Arthster]

Hahahaha, well caught
Sorry Cat(niss)

Brilliant...

 

[free3dom]

I'm wondering if the Svoemesto guys are a bit "butthurt" because of all the low cost alternatives to the KF4, which is why they are behaving like small children?

 

[Arthster]

I'm wondering if the Svoemesto guys are a bit "butthurt" because of all the low cost alternatives to the KF4, which is why they are behaving like small children?

Possibly, or maybe they are just not willing to enter into new territories, Either way it is a major pity. I really don't like importing stuff. I want to see the local vendors make a name for them selves and succeed in this industry. I would much rather buy locally simply to support our vendors.

 

[n0ugh7_zw]

eLeaf is going to own the vape market just now

 

[free3dom]

eLeaf is going to own the vape market just now

Absolutely...and deservedly so

 

[Derick]

I'm wondering if the Svoemesto guys are a bit "butthurt" because of all the low cost alternatives to the KF4, which is why they are behaving like small children?

I honestly think that they are just so flooded with queries that they have to filter some of them out and only look at the guys that are going to buy like 500 or more

 

[n0ugh7_zw]

Honestly I think its a great thing. Because if eLeaf takes a solid bite out of the industry, a lot of other long term players are going to have a major wakeup call, which is excellent for us as consumers.

 

[Arthster]

eLeaf is going to own the vape market just now

The first eleaf product I owned was a terrible cigalike (Don't know if it was the same company though). the new eLeaf devices are fantastic. if they carry one like they have they might very easily dominate the market.

 

[Arthster]

I honestly think that they are just so flooded with queries that they have to filter some of them out and only look at the guys that are going to buy like 500 or more

That does make sense.

 

[free3dom]

I honestly think that they are just so flooded with queries that they have to filter some of them out and only look at the guys that are going to buy like 500 or more

I suppose that's a more reasonable reason
And the Kayfun, even at it's premium price will probably stick around in one form or another for years...it's the i(PV) iAtty of the vaping world

 

[Arthster]

Honestly I think its a great thing. Because if eLeaf takes a solid bite out of the industry, a lot of other long term players are going to have a major wakeup call, which is excellent for us as consumers.

Well to a major extent that has already started to happen. Looking at the device options we had last year this time, compared to now. there is huge upward curve in tech and quality. Considering that when I started playing with MOD's the Vamo v5 and SVD was a top top devices. and today they are rather low end.

 

[n0ugh7_zw]

What eLeaf is starting to do, is also pretty important for vaping as a whole. They're making an element of vaping (serious sub-ohming and battery safety) that is considered more niche and technical, more approachable for new comers... It'll be really interesting to see what kind of ripples that makes in the vaping world.

 

[Derick]

Well to a major extent that has already started to happen. Looking at the device options we had last year this time, compared to now. there is huge upward curve in tech and quality. Considering that when I started playing with MOD's the Vamo v5 and SVD was a top top devices. and today they are rather low end.

Yeah, it is moving amazingly fast and seems to be speeding up as well