The Serpent Mini 22 and 25 Build Thread

[Silver]

Any info here please? Just wan to know the differences, simplistically? Does the 2 coil produce more flavour, etc?

@Rude Rudi , i havent tried the dual deck on the SM25 - am more than happy with the single coil - but i dont see why it would be any different to any other device

Dual coils generally provide more vapour. But they require more power and take longer to set up and wick (for me at least). Whether more vapour translates to better flavour is debatable. Some folk feel that more vapour leads to denser vapour therefore better flavour - my experience has not been like that. To me the flavour is generally the same - there's just more of it.

But for me the single coil on the SM25 is more than enough

 

[Rude Rudi]

@Rude Rudi , i havent tried the dual deck on the SM25 - am more than happy with the single coil - but i dont see why it would be any different to any other device

Dual coils generally provide more vapour. But they require more power and take longer to set up and wick (for me at least). Whether more vapour translates to better flavour is debatable. Some folk feel that more vapour leads to denser vapour therefore better flavour - my experience has not been like that. To me the flavour is generally the same - there's just more of it.

But for me the single coil on the SM25 is more than enough

Thanks! I guess the only way to find out is to try both builds and use the one most suited to my own preference.
I'll do that then!

 

[antonherbst]

I had the same issue when i was NOT using the juicering.

Replaced it and rewicked a little more cotton than the previous build and now no leaks.

Also just check the Oring on the rba base.

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Thanks @boxerulez
Could you just please tell me what the juicering is and also the rba base?


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[boxerulez]

Thanks @boxerulez
Could you just please tell me what the juicering is and also the rba base?


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Ok... go back to the first page and read all the tips and you will be ok. There are photos with descriptions in this thread.

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[Rude Rudi]

Ok... go back to the first page and read all the tips and you will be ok. There are photos with descriptions in this thread.

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What's your view on the wick ring on the 25? Do u use it/loose it?

 

[boxerulez]

What's your view on the wick ring on the 25? Do u use it/loose it?

@Rude Rudi I do use the ring, and enough cotton to pack it well. Without the ring I found the same leaking issues so rather use it.

 

[Rude Rudi]

@Rude Rudi I do use the ring, and enough cotton to pack it well. Without the ring I found the same leaking issues so rather use it.

Perfect, thanks. Will do my maiden wicking tonight (the guys Juicy Joes set mine up).

 

[Viper_SA]

Ok... go back to the first page and read all the tips and you will be ok. There are photos with descriptions in this thread.

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He's referring to the 22mm version @boxerulez
No juice ring or removable RBA base. My bset guess is flooding throught the airflow underneath the coil and accumulating in the base

 

[KrayFish404]

Edit reason: late/early post and made some mistakes on the names of wire. Thanks @BhavZ pointing it out so politely in a PM

On @Rob Fisher's recommendation I decided to try this Serpent Mini 25 as well, got it from @ShaneW there at Juicy Joes.

Nice, easy build, I had no issues and I have re-built it 4 times now, and re-wicked it maybe 6. Maybe a few micro-drops when filling depending on the amount of wick I use but nothing to cry about.

I must say it works very well, flavour is spot-on, but I see the need to swap that drip tip. It gets really hot - I know I am doing dual coil but still, I run Claptons but on a fairly low voltage, mostly sub 3.6v - probably because it is 26/32 Ni80/Kanthal, 6 wraps on 2.5 i/d

Here she is on the Cricket ii-25, making a lovely pair: #NOFILTERS (ha ha)




And here I messed around with a vertical coil. Came out "ok-ish", wicking was messy but worked well with no leaks, but I just hated it - I cringed for the time when I ever had to re-wick it...

24g Ni80 and 3mm i/d

If you attempt this do a larger i/d, maybe 4mm - but less wraps. The top arm is also a tight fit because note the height of your chimney - it is very low, and goes to a point, so there's very little room for err.

 

[KrayFish404]

@Rude Rudi I do use the ring, and enough cotton to pack it well. Without the ring I found the same leaking issues so rather use it.

I suppose if you never open and close the tank then removing the ring is fine. But every time you do open it it will upset the cotton a bit, causing a small leak to become a hole in the pocket. If this was a tank with say juice flow control where you would open and close the whole time and upsetting the wicking then yes - the ring must stay put. Mine is where @boxerulez is at - inside the tank.

 

[Scissorhands]

My findings

Cotton bacon is expencive, but you really dont need much , sorry for the crappy lighting (i live in a cave)

I cut the strip into 4 quarters the tear off a small piece, this is for a 3.5mm coil



Then gently pull it apart



Then gently roll it into something like so


Pop it through the coil and fluff


I forgot to take a shot of it trimmed and primed, but you get a lil something like this


Note: evin with a perfect wick i usually get 1 drop of gurgle/leak on the FIRST fill, once the cotton has spent some time in the juice it expands into place and should be perfect by your second fill , if you get used to this wicking, you can easily use 20% less cotton and pump the watts higher YMMV

 

[Strontium]

My findings

Cotton bacon is expencive, but you really dont need much , sorry for the crappy lighting (i live in a cave)

I cut the strip into 4 quarters the tear off a small piece, this is for a 3.5mm coil

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Then gently pull it apart

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Then gently roll it into something like so
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Pop it through the coil and fluff
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I forgot to take a shot of it trimmed and primed, but you get a lil something like this
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Note: evin with a perfect wick i usually get 1 drop of gurgle/leak on the FIRST fill, once the cotton has spent some time in the juice it expands into place and should be perfect by your second fill , if you get used to this wicking, you can easily use 20% less cotton and pump the watts higher YMMV

Do you trim it down on an angle i.e. Staged wicking?

 

[Scissorhands]

Do you trim it down on an angle i.e. Staged wicking?

Not at all, i found stage wicking unificiant for anything thats not round wire, this method will require tinkering at first, i removed the ring (vastly improved wicking capability and gently lay down the saturated wicks with 1 mm clearance from the bottom of the juice well, ideally you want the saturated wick to sit snug without having to push or squash it in, if there is too much cotton it will choke the juice, too little and every fill will dump juice, its a balancing act but it will become effortless once masterd

Ill quickly pop open my tank for you

 

[DougP]

Dam I need therapy.
I tell myself everyday do not follow Rob on forums because you will ultimately rush out and buy his recommendations ...
I just knew I shouldn't, I tried not to,but, I couldn't help myself...
I had a test vape on Rob's mod and serpent tank and I was hooked
Rob, sir, you are a dangerous ( as in wallet dangerous) legend my friend.

Welcome me to the family ...
Serpent mini 25
Triple twisted 28 g kanthal
2.5 mm ID 5 wrap dual coils @ 0.21 ohms
Vaping at 38 watts
Superb flavor
As for wicking followed Rob's guide to the point
4 tanks later and no leaks or dry hits
Have one question though ?
Ring on or ring off
Right now I have ring on

 

[Scissorhands]

Dam I need therapy.
I tell myself everyday do not follow Rob on forums because you will ultimately rush out and buy his recommendations ...
I just knew I shouldn't, I tried not to,but, I couldn't help myself...
I had a test vape on Rob's mod and serpent tank and I was hooked
Rob, sir, you are dangerous legend my friend.

Welcome me to the family ...
Serpent mini 25
Triple twisted 28 g kanthal
2.5 mm ID 6 wrap dual coils @ 0.21 ohms
Vaping at 38 watts
Superb flavor
As for wicking followed Rob's guide to the point
4 tanks later and no leaks or dry hits
Have one question though ?
Ring on or ring off
Right now I have ring on

Welcome to the serpent pit!

If your build is wicking sufficiently, leave it on i haven't spent too much time with the dual coil deck, heats up the tank too much for my liking, eats battery and time

Nice looking combo

 

[Rob Fisher]

Dam I need therapy.
I tell myself everyday do not follow Rob on forums because you will ultimately rush out and buy his recommendations ...
I just knew I shouldn't, I tried not to,but, I couldn't help myself...

@Blends Of Distinction - Go Douggie! SM25 for the win!

 

[Daniel]

My findings

I cut the strip into 4 quarters the tear off a small piece, this is for a 3.5mm coil

Note: evin with a perfect wick i usually get 1 drop of gurgle/leak on the FIRST fill, once the cotton has spent some time in the juice it expands into place and should be perfect by your second fill , if you get used to this wicking, you can easily use 20% less cotton and pump the watts higher YMMV

Very efficient work there , will give this Scottish Roll thing a go next re-wick..... I experience spit-back with almost every refill ..... it's getting annoying again .....

 

[Scissorhands]

Very efficient work there , will give this Scottish Roll thing a go next re-wick..... I experience spit-back with almost every refill ..... it's getting annoying again .....

Thanks, ounce for ounce Cbv2 costs more than gold!

A little spit back on your first 3/4 puffs is normal on the sm25, the lack of juice flow control and design of the top cap (compressing air into the tank) over saturates the coil. also avoid 2 strand twisted wire, spits like a drunk cobra with a lisp

 

[Daniel]

Thanks, ounce for ounce Cbv2 costs more than gold!

A little spit back on your first 3/4 puffs is normal on the sm25, the lack of juice flow control and design of the top cap (compressing air into the tank) over saturates the coil. also avoid 2 strand twisted wire, spits like a drunk cobra with a lisp

Haha , drunk cobra ....

Ok then the parallel I have in will probably account for the spit-back , will rebuild tonight and confirm.

Also I heard all kinds of advise on screwing on the topcap , not too fast , turn upside down last two turns (juice just leaks out the driptip then...)

 

[Scissorhands]

Haha , drunk cobra ....

Ok then the parallel I have in will probably account for the spit-back , will rebuild tonight and confirm.

Also I heard all kinds of advise on screwing on the topcap , not too fast , turn upside down last two turns (juice just leaks out the driptip then...)

Parallel or single round wire shouldnt effect the spit factor, just your resistance = ramp time & required watts = battery life, i find spaced builds also contributes to spitting, in my experience Clapton (higher guage the outer wire, the better) decreases spit factor YMMV

Personally i just screw the top cap normally with airflow open (im lazy)
What does help is leaving a air pocket, i fill till the tank looks full from the glass

Good luck

 

[DougP]

I made a triple twisted wire with 3 strands of 28 gauge kanthal and twisted it as tight as
"n plasties se poppie se paddetjie" and I have no spitback what so ever. The trick here is the tighter you go with the twist the less spitback you will get.
Ramp up time is really good. I vape at between 38 to 40 watts so heat and battery life is good
Trick to doing this twist is torch wires separately before twisting and then torch after again

 

[Tockit]

Right so here is my report back on the sm25. Got mine on Friday and setup Friday evening. Build used was 26g Ni80, 7 wraps 3mm ID and the obligatory Cb v2. Single coil mode she came to 0.77ohms. Wick ring removed. I know the Mage is dual coil so all my findings is compared to my Mage. I fitted the dual deck now and that report back will come in a few days time. Wicked her like a champ. She just needed some finessing to get the wicks laying perfectly. Filled her up and no leakage.
The airflow is a bit restrictive and the stock tip contributes to it aswell. Fitted a different tip and airflow and flavour improved. The vape was flavourful and dense. Tank performed great on Friday evening. Then started experiencing some issues on Saturday. Started to get spit after every refill but goes away by the 6th or 7th drag, which did not happen Friday evening. Later the afternoon I started experiencing slight flooding after refills And at one point juice leaked out the bottom. Figured the wicks might have moved, gave a nice blow, PHOO! Down the drip tip and this seemed to have reset the cotton and no leaking or gurgling but the spit back remained after every refill. Today was our year end function and decided to use the serpent because of the juice capacity and didn't want to be refilling the mage every 2 seconds. We were playing lawn bowls and my mod was in my pocket, so no overly active running around type of things. It seemed that the wicks moved again and every time I took the mod out my pocket it had some juice on it. My PHOO tactic wasn't working this time. Was very annoyed by this, fitted the dual deck now with same coil mentioned above x2. Airflow is much better on the dual deck. Only issue I have is that the threads are shit on the deck as I couldn't gently screw the deck in as it was catching just ad it started threading. Forced it on to help open the threads abit. Oh and left the wick ring on this time. Hopefully I don't get any leakage when filling up.

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[Clouds4Days]

What up vaping peeps...

Need a little help.
Been running my serpent mini 25 for a week now and im having issues with constant resistance changes.

It jumps between 0.5 ohm and 1.0 ohm and im not sure why. I've Checked grub screws and all tight .

im using the dual deck. Any suggestions please? Thanks peeps.

 

[BioHAZarD]

What up vaping peeps...

Need a little help.
Been running my serpent mini 25 for a week now and im having issues with constant resistance changes.

It jumps between 0.5 ohm and 1.0 ohm and im not sure why. I've Checked grub screws and all tight .

im using the dual deck. Any suggestions please? Thanks peeps.

Tighten down the actual RBA deck into the base

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[Clouds4Days]

Tighten down the actual RBA deck into the base

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Will check for that thanks