The Vaping Scumbags

Great show guys - watching ep 1 - going to download all 3 of them and watch them through the week - thanks for this I like.

If you guys can adapt this to an podcast channel as well it will be awesome - then we can listen to it in the car on the way to work etc
 
Episode 6a is live - will be sharing the second half next week. Hope you enjoy.



Really like all the interviews. Gives a look in the "behind the scenes" siee of vaping.

If its alright with you guys I'm going to download the episodes to listen while at work. Don't always have an hour to watch. But really like to listen to the conversations.

Ps: Quite a couple of instruments in the background. Hint for a possible vaping industry mashupp band for Vapecon?
 
Really like all the interviews. Gives a look in the "behind the scenes" siee of vaping.

If its alright with you guys I'm going to download the episodes to listen while at work. Don't always have an hour to watch. But really like to listen to the conversations.

Ps: Quite a couple of instruments in the background. Hint for a possible vaping industry mashupp band for Vapecon?

@Adephi - thanks man, yup please go ahead and download - its great for the car, I agree. Most people are doing this. Glad you are enjoying the show man - feel free to share it with all your vape mates.

I'm happy to play drums - but only if @method1 is the lead vocals. :thumbup:

Also thanks so much for the feedback!
 
Very insightful and candid...mums the word ;)

On a serious note as @RichJB pointed out without advocacy (not the YouTube BS reviewers sprouting it) but real legal backing we are fighting a losing battle....

Or we just need someone with connections in goverment and fat pockets ;) oh wait big tobacco has that covered...
 
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Very insightful and candid...mums the word ;)

On a serious note as @RichJB pointed out without advocacy (not the YouTube BS reviewers sprouting it) but real legal backing we are fighting a losing battle....

Or we just need someone with connections in goverment and fat pockets ;) oh wait big tobacco has that covered...

Exactly - so instead of muscling up a pointless anti-campaign, our forces together might be the way to go. This is a bitter pill for us all to swallow, but perhaps the smarter move. There are some risks though, this is not the silver bullet.

Thanks for watching @Daniel
 
Exactly - so instead of muscling up a pointless anti-campaign, our forces together might be the way to go. This is a bitter pill for us all to swallow, but perhaps the smarter move. There are some risks though, this is not the silver bullet.

Thanks for watching @Daniel

I might be ruffling some feathers but what are the vendors doing besides posting links to petitions and doing live shows?

We are at the presepous....and what we do from here is entirely up to us...and the legal system...
 
Very good video guys. Very informative. @RichJB you really need to be commended with you knowledge of the industry.
 
Thanks @Adephi but I can't claim to be an industry insider. However, I do work from time to time with public health bodies and with regulators so I know how they approach issues and how they reason. The public arguments and community's case for vaping concerns me because I can see already how the regulators and public health are going to shoot it down. And unfortunately, they have the backing of the non-smoking majority, as we saw in SanFran.

After the SanFran vote, Wayne - who is usually very level-headed and pragmatic on matters concerning the industry - tore into SanFran as being "the most cucked city in the US". Do the citizens care what Wayne thinks? Others were heaping scorn on SanFran as "typical liberals". SanFran doesn't care that they are seen as liberals, they take pride in it. On Twitter, a doctor announced triumphantly that the SanFran vote shows that big tobacco can be beaten. Vaping advocacy figurehead Dimitris Agrafiotis tore into him, claiming his licence should be revoked because he wants people to smoke and die. Does the doctor care what Dimitris thinks? Passion and anger aren't going to win this fight.

I think the industry needs a concerted and coordinated effort to present a business case. That will take the considered and expert input of doctors, actuaries, social psychologists, engineers, PR specialists, whose joint efforts are collated and formulated by strategists and presented to govt by advocates. If we do that, we're in with a shout.

I don't know what industry is doing, as I say I'm not an insider. But if we do it here, we'll be doing something that hasn't been pulled off elsewhere. If that is the case, I will be delighted. I just hope we don't follow the same failed path as advocacy in the US has. This fight is too important to be content with losing and then heaping scorn on those who oppose us.
 
Posting this here on the forum so people can see the bad apples in this community. This is what makes a community not grow. People like this. Always have a problem with everything. The people doing the least to make a difference always has the biggest mouth.
A constructive comment giving advice is a different thing from what u are doing @zandernwn
Firstly this comment on youtube.
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U are a sad person @zandernwn
 
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