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This is what SA needs!! Come on vendors
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I'd be open to selling the mixed concentrate for my products - the same as GGG (gunners gold gourmet) do - if there was enough demand.
Wouldn't be selling no clones/top 10 ELR recipes though.
I agree with the sentiments of some other posts above - selling some ELR/Reddit/Les Clones recipe, using the same name as the original, not even crediting the author.. I could go on
Just out of curiosity ... Would you sell a 10ml bottle of concentrate- tell the buyer to cut it x:y at z% and they could have a 50ml juice when they got home?
I'm asking for travel purposes where your limited by how much you can take across the border
Yes, that's how it would work.
Good to know !
It appears, even though my approach was wrong, an idea has been born. A premixed contenrate in a bottle to make a larger quantity of a person's own preference of nic and pg/vg could be on the table
That is accounting for other costs that I won't go into but the one that I've found most "expensive" is time. Being a vendor takes time and effort and these things have a very real cost involved.
We had a look at doing flavor packs like these but decided against them. Cloning recipes just isn't cool. It also ruins the experimentation part of diy. Much more rewarding building a juice from the ground up.
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I'm sure you meant DIYing and not dying
.Damn autocorrect
I disagree to some extent.
The way I see it, clone recipes are almost always not exactly the same. I mean it will get you a similar profile to a juice you like.
Look at Placid for example, there is a bunch of clones online. Apperently they only represent the profile of the juice, so they not spot on. AND with people trying to clone it, it actually boosted sales of the real thing, because it drew so much attention to the juice.
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I have no problems with clones, gear or juices. As long as they do not impinge on any legal rights.
In Australia retailers cannot sell juices with nicotine as the selling of nicotine is unlawful. But an individual is allowed to import a 3 month supply of nicotine for personal use. So vendors only sell bases.
My questions on this: You still have 2 variables - the PG/VG ratio and the strength of nicotine. Does that not affect the recipe. For example, will @method1's DDD base for a 70/30 juice with 18 mg nicotine not look different to a DDD base for a 50/50 juice with 3 mg nicotine. Bearing in mind that we only have 36 mg nicotine available locally. And that does not even consider the effect of different brands of nic, PG and VG on a juice.
In Australia retailers cannot sell juices with nicotine as the selling of nicotine is unlawful. But an individual is allowed to import a 3 month supply of nicotine for personal use. So vendors only sell bases.
My questions on this: You still have 2 variables - the PG/VG ratio and the strength of nicotine. Does that not affect the recipe. For example, will @method1's DDD base for a 70/30 juice with 18 mg nicotine not look different to a DDD base for a 50/50 juice with 3 mg nicotine. Bearing in mind that we only have 36 mg nicotine available locally. And that does not even consider the effect of different brands of nic, PG and VG on a juice.
I personally have not changed ddd yet. And for the price I paid, R270, I wouldn't want to. (Yes I got ripped off badly, but I learnt my lesson, still yummy though) I found a vendor that sells its real price.
But there are some juices out there that I always add nic to. I vape 18mg.
Does not change the flavour to much
Really didn't notice. Hahahaha, I think this topic has changed in its core to more of an ethical debate
The thing I actually like about this idea is that you have separate concentrates and a recipe, this way you can experiment and vape something decent while you focus your cash on DIY.
So maybe not clone recipes, maybe a DIY starter kit which has everything you need and say 10 recipes that are decent with the concentrates to make those. DIY is a journey, a costly one. So many try, fail and then give up. Something like this would be helpful to the newbie DIY enthusiast.
So maybe not clone recipes, maybe a DIY starter kit which has everything you need and say 10 recipes that are decent with the concentrates to make those. DIY is a journey, a costly one. So many try, fail and then give up. Something like this would be helpful to the newbie DIY enthusiast.
@method1 can comment on this :
@Andre - in essence it does affect the recipe. If a juice is made up of 20% flavouring and you wanted a 50/50 they you add some pg and nic.
To make it a 90/10max vg juice there will be too much flavouring for the "calculator" to work it out and you couldn't add the desired amount of nic. It would rather suggest you do a 75/25 kinda ratio. You then add a little nice and almost no pg
In any variation the 20% flavouring stays the same but the recipe is definitely different. Vg/pg ratios are important to a recipes taste
Yip pg/vg ratio definitely changes the recipe to a certain extent.
I remember Fizzmustard pointing out that the Bombies Nana Cream clone should be made at 70VG for some or other reason.
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I remember Fizzmustard pointing out that the Bombies Nana Cream clone should be made at 70VG for some or other reason.
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What? Please PM me the details of what happened?
If using a calc you'd just have to set it to "max vg" if you're going for the highest VG possible.
I've tried DDD at a wide range of vg/pg ratios - it does work between in ranges between 60/40 - 80/20, takes longer to steep with higher VG. 70/30 is the sweet spot IMO.
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What are your takes on vendors selling cloned juice (or top 100 ELR juice) as their own? Only changing the name of the juice
Also, do you guys think it's OK if a vendor uses a cloned recipe as a base and change the ingredients a bit to their pallate and sell it as their own?
Also, do you guys think it's OK if a vendor uses a cloned recipe as a base and change the ingredients a bit to their pallate and sell it as their own?
This goes on all the time anyway - the more seasoned vapers can generally pick up a clone or familiar profile, so ultimately it depends on the vendor's philosophy - are you trying to create something new and original, or rehash the classics?
And then most ELR recipes are disappointing, there have only been a handful I truly liked, there's a ton of garbage to wade through, even in the top 20.
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It does not bother me at all. Supermarket shelves are full of copied (with or without variations) products. As long as no legal rights are infringed.
Found a company that does something that is close to this. I love that they do it. They show recipes that anyone can get online and have a link to each individual flavors. They rock
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