So your saying i am making this up? In fact due to shielding in this second wave and now the roll out of vaccines most UK deaths now are th
Would be nothing wrong with a capitalist economy if it didn't go side by side with trickle down wealth distribution! people with more money than they need while some struggle to put food on the table is morally corrupt!
In a few years we will be old as Bible people again
OK ... So are you saying that socialism is the answer then?
There a few drawbacks to getting older, and I'm not sure that I want to repeat Methuselah's 969 years ... Good Lord, (pun intended), at 60 I make sound effects bending over, can you imagine what it'd be like at 600, let alone 969
... another of them age related issues is the reliance of glasses, which I find a bloody nuisance when doing any closeup work, to which my son tells me that it's purposeful that your eyesight deteriorates with age,, so that you don't notice how gross looking your spouse has become No liberal democrat so believe in a capitalism but with a fairer distribution of wealth! This pandemic showed the unfairness when it works out most that are essential are on minimum wages while those on higher wages in the UK have been getting paid by the government for being on a jolly!
And when it's all over it will be the less well off that pays the debt for keeping the wealthy in their pretend jobs!
I agree that there is unfairness of wage in certain areas, especially government, (and most especially in South Africa), however this doesn't get resolved through wealth distribution, rather it is resolved by cutting the legs off the guilty, (dishonest), parties.
Hell, If I build up a company and wish to pay myself a Kings ransom, why the hell shouldn't I ... I worked for it dammit!
I think you need to be specific about who these wealthy parties are that you referring to ... are they public servants or are they self made entrepreneurs that have built empires on their own blood sweat and tears?
Most British entrepreneurs build their empires on the backs of others blood sweat and tears and pay them peanuts in return and then look how they can stash their wealth to avoid tax while those very same low paid workers foot the bill! Don't get me wrong i believe that you have to have a pay scale and some people should earn more than others etc but when 90% of the wealth goes to the top 10% and you have people not paid a realistic living wage there is something seriously wrong!
But if that was whilst paying others the least amount possible and being blind to the fact they are also working their butts off to allow that Kings ransom, then i find that morally wrong!
OK that puts it into better perspective ...
Interestingly enough, that's one of secrets of true success ... build a legacy that your family can leverage off, as apposed blowing all your money and leaving your kids to fend for themselves ... and you're saying that's wrong?
So basically your advocation is that you shouldn't make sacrifices to build a better life for your descendants ... that you should rather live the life of Riley and blow it all, and tell your kids to get stuffed, and create another hand to mouth struggling generation ... this is where I disagree with you strongly, as your advocation has it's roots in socialism.
It's not about taking all the money from the wealthy at all it's about the extremes either end but in the UK whenever in the past there as been suggestion of taxing the rich more or caps which will allow for raised minimum wages etc they just threaten to leave the country because it will slow down the 0's adding to their bank balances, greedy morally empty b***ards!
I didn't say any of that at all, sounds defensive? how would paying others a decent wage be living the life of Riley, that attitude is very disturbing!
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I am being defensive because I understand you to be saying that you want to penalise people whose families have made sacrifices in the past, to build empires that they now leverage off? ... or have I missed your point, and or you failed to elucidate yours?
I am not against wealth just the extremes and those in return that pay low wages that show how they value them who keep their companies going.
I am not a socialist at all but unless the extremes of capitalism are addressed then capitalism will fail! My point is 90% of wealth going to 10% of people is wrong!
We'll have to agree to disagree here, as all that I'm reading is that you're unhappy that your family didn't make the necessary sacrifices to place you into the top 10 percentile you speak of, and if you were there, you'd be fighting to retain it, not share it.
I'll bet that most forum members here would fight to retain their family wealth, whether it be inherited, self made or both, and the fairness of it as an argument is mute, as their families made sacrifices, and built their empires, whilst others families didn't, for whatever reasons.
Should your argument extend, (as I thought it did in your earlier posts), to say civil servants who were raking in the bucks whilst telling everyone else to take a knock, (as the SA Govt. did during Covid), then I would with absolute certainty agree with you.
I am against CEO's of companies racking in fortunes but if the shit hits the fan the buck is passed and the worst that happens to those that were paid a fortune for taking responsibility is a big pay off whether that may be in the private sector or public! It only moved on to families building empires they pass on etc because you did nothing but go on about it, i didn't even mention it only in regard once it was brought up i find it wrong if those making loads of money do so while paying others low wages and then i find them morally empty! I don't care a crap about being left money or not why can't i have a view based on fairness and nothing to do with my circumstances! I have every respect for those that have been successful but those that were handed what they have they would have to earn my respect in other ways because most i know go around looking down on other people when everything they have were handed to them so no actually i would of hated to be left a fortune and i am happy with my lot but feel guilty when i see a homeless person yet those better off just look at them in disgust as if they are not human beings!
OK ... different argument, and having worked in Corporates in senior roles, can safely say that the problem is not the executives, but rather the shareholders, (aka. The Public / You), who demand returns that border insane more often than not, making their objective to get as much as possible for as little as possible ... this to ensure the shareholder return remains high enough to retain their investment ... so who's really to blame here?
Have a holiday, hardly my fault i have never owned shares and you just proved my point, such positions would justify their pay for the responsibility yet you wouldn't take responsibility it's the shareholders fault lol!
That's not what I said at all Tim
What I did say is that a root cause analysis of YOUR stated problem, is the very people who demand the returns, namely the public / YOU
But they happily take the money for that responsibility but then don't take responsibility if things go wrong or get a big handout as they stand down many more times what many earn in their lives which is hardly how their employees would be treated, and don't get me started on bankers! May be the make up of the UK and SA economies are different, it always seems in the UK if the Sh*t hits the fan the man at the top who is paid for the responsibility instead just finds some poor scapegoat, yet all the time previous would justify their huge salary because they carry that responsibility which when tested turns out to be BS!
Interesting chat dudes.. I believe the silver bullet correct term your looking for is "crony capitalism" ?
In very simple terms big govt and big corporations are now one and the same thing! And it certainly pertains to vaping being banned or not. Time will tell in the long run.
Let's not even get started on the word "democracy" When was the last time a really important issue affecting us all in public was done via a referendum? Or at best a public debate or some form of discussion? The UK had brexit but that's about it. Nothing zero zilch else. Going to war or not, everything around covid lockdowns and restrictions, the "carbon tax" green deal renewable energy and many more important public issues etc. We as the public had absolutely NO say. Putting it bluntly we live in a socialist world now. Splitting hairs about the minute small details doesn't matter one bit? Peace, prosperity and stock up on the vape stuff! Especially nicotine..
In very simple terms big govt and big corporations are now one and the same thing! And it certainly pertains to vaping being banned or not. Time will tell in the long run.
Let's not even get started on the word "democracy" When was the last time a really important issue affecting us all in public was done via a referendum? Or at best a public debate or some form of discussion? The UK had brexit but that's about it. Nothing zero zilch else. Going to war or not, everything around covid lockdowns and restrictions, the "carbon tax" green deal renewable energy and many more important public issues etc. We as the public had absolutely NO say. Putting it bluntly we live in a socialist world now. Splitting hairs about the minute small details doesn't matter one bit? Peace, prosperity and stock up on the vape stuff! Especially nicotine..
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I'm saying I don't have the time nor patience to endlessly argue the same circular arguments over and over again, ad infinitum, forever, like a bottomless pit filled with vipers, with fearful people peering at me over their stupid little useless masks. After 18 months of following this epic farce closely all I can do is shrug and walk away, and be thankful I will die soon.
Idiocracy comes to mind.
I'll try not to step on any of the billions of deadish bodies littering the streets as I make my exit from this 'discussion'.
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