Got my Theorem on Sunday and have been vaping with the wicked notch coil supplied ever since. I haven't been disappointed at all. No dry hits, no channels closing up and deep, saturated flavour compared to the Avocado. I was anticipating this tank for weeks, and it lives up to the hype for me.
Wismec Theorem RTA
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Really think I need to pick one of these up.
Any thoughts on this versus the Moonshot?
Any thoughts on this versus the Moonshot?
I don't have either but I did try the Moonshot and was blown away by the flavour! It's basically a good dripper with a tank.
Go Moonshot. Theorem is only really effective on a single coil setup. The experience you get from the two are worlds apart.
Sold on that , thanks!
Exactly what i thought!
About 12 hours using the Theorem now. It was hit or miss on joose changes. Then I tried a DIY in it earlier today that I haven't used for awhile, and it really likes the current (first) build a lot. So I'll be vaping this as is in my rotation for a couple of days. Means it will be some time before I do anymore playing with it or putting new builds on it.
Can say I am liking it though after it settled in, and it has been leak proof, aesthetically appealing with the SS sleeve and different DT added. Maybe even more than my Avocado's. But time will tell... they will run a lot of different liquids without the need to rebuild either of their coils, and I've only found a few for the Theorem so far "on this build". That kind of hints that I need two of them to have two different builds in rotations same as the Avo's. My supplier has lots of them still, so... maybe.
Can say I am liking it though after it settled in, and it has been leak proof, aesthetically appealing with the SS sleeve and different DT added. Maybe even more than my Avocado's. But time will tell... they will run a lot of different liquids without the need to rebuild either of their coils, and I've only found a few for the Theorem so far "on this build". That kind of hints that I need two of them to have two different builds in rotations same as the Avo's. My supplier has lots of them still, so... maybe.
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Thanks @Spydro! I pick up mine in the morning... but won't spend too much time on it because Ceramic Wars are still ongoing...
I seem to remember you using the word "final" not that long ago in a video report about Ceramic Wars.
(back at you)Will wait with baited breathe, but I'm going to add more RTA's for rotations in the mean time.
Today I snapped notch coil #1 in half. I was dry-burning (at 35w) to clean up the aftermath of Muffinman which gunks up coils quickly. Was I not supposed to do this? Will pop in the second tonight, or maybe try the other 3.5mm notch-like coil from SirVape.
My steel tank has also separated from the glass (first time I used it). The glue job was very messy and the solid tank, although pretty, just felt like it was last-minute and rushed - especially compared to the build quality of everything else which is very good. The glass barrel is the same as the two it comes with, so I'm not sure why some have had leaking issues with the steel tank - I'll definitely re-glue the steel tank because it looks good imo and the slots are actually good enough to get a quick sense of juice levels.
I've been playing with different wicks through the notch, and this one seems to prefer slightly shorter wicks than my Avo - I'm at around 3-4mm above the bottom when saturated, and quite a lot of wick to get through that large id and remain fairly snug. It guzzles through juice. But no worse than the Avo in this area. I see it more as a single coil rda with a superbly deep and accommodating juice well
I've had no leaks at all, and very good flavour. Once or twice things got slightly "cottony" - it happened either when I needed a new wick, or when it swelled a little too much and just needed a poke down the sides to let juice through to the coil.
All-In-All I'm very happy with it and enjoy using it (especially with a new DT by hands from SirVape). With the Theorem, Avocado & Reo's, my other RTA's and tanks have had no action in quite a while. I've had slightly more saturated flavour from the Avo with a single clapton, but still prefer the Theorem on the whole - and I think the right build might bring out a little more than I've been getting. It's very quick and easy to build on, lots of space for clumsy builders like me, quick to re-wick compared the the Avo, and quicker and less messy refilling. As I said, no leaking so far which is impressive with this type of design. Clouds for me are less than the Avo, but still a very satisfying vape with more than enough cloud capacity for most. Not a cloud-chasers tank though, but you already knew that. I'd definitely recommend this tank and consider getting another.
My steel tank has also separated from the glass (first time I used it). The glue job was very messy and the solid tank, although pretty, just felt like it was last-minute and rushed - especially compared to the build quality of everything else which is very good. The glass barrel is the same as the two it comes with, so I'm not sure why some have had leaking issues with the steel tank - I'll definitely re-glue the steel tank because it looks good imo and the slots are actually good enough to get a quick sense of juice levels.
I've been playing with different wicks through the notch, and this one seems to prefer slightly shorter wicks than my Avo - I'm at around 3-4mm above the bottom when saturated, and quite a lot of wick to get through that large id and remain fairly snug. It guzzles through juice. But no worse than the Avo in this area. I see it more as a single coil rda with a superbly deep and accommodating juice well
I've had no leaks at all, and very good flavour. Once or twice things got slightly "cottony" - it happened either when I needed a new wick, or when it swelled a little too much and just needed a poke down the sides to let juice through to the coil.
All-In-All I'm very happy with it and enjoy using it (especially with a new DT by hands from SirVape). With the Theorem, Avocado & Reo's, my other RTA's and tanks have had no action in quite a while. I've had slightly more saturated flavour from the Avo with a single clapton, but still prefer the Theorem on the whole - and I think the right build might bring out a little more than I've been getting. It's very quick and easy to build on, lots of space for clumsy builders like me, quick to re-wick compared the the Avo, and quicker and less messy refilling. As I said, no leaking so far which is impressive with this type of design. Clouds for me are less than the Avo, but still a very satisfying vape with more than enough cloud capacity for most. Not a cloud-chasers tank though, but you already knew that. I'd definitely recommend this tank and consider getting another.
If I get a chance and if stock is still available tomorrow I think I'll pick one of these up.Today I snapped notch coil #1 in half. I was dry-burning (at 35w) to clean up the aftermath of Muffinman which gunks up coils quickly. Was I not supposed to do this? Will pop in the second tonight, or maybe try the other 3.5mm notch-like coil from SirVape.
My steel tank has also separated from the glass (first time I used it). The glue job was very messy and the solid tank, although pretty, just felt like it was last-minute and rushed - especially compared to the build quality of everything else which is very good. The glass barrel is the same as the two it comes with, so I'm not sure why some have had leaking issues with the steel tank - I'll definitely re-glue the steel tank because it looks good imo and the slots are actually good enough to get a quick sense of juice levels.
I've been playing with different wicks through the notch, and this one seems to prefer slightly shorter wicks than my Avo - I'm at around 3-4mm above the bottom when saturated, and quite a lot of wick to get through that large id and remain fairly snug. It guzzles through juice. But no worse than the Avo in this area. I see it more as a single coil rda with a superbly deep and accommodating juice well
I've had no leaks at all, and very good flavour. Once or twice things got slightly "cottony" - it happened either when I needed a new wick, or when it swelled a little too much and just needed a poke down the sides to let juice through to the coil.
All-In-All I'm very happy with it and enjoy using it (especially with a new DT by hands from SirVape). With the Theorem, Avocado & Reo's, my other RTA's and tanks have had no action in quite a while. I've had slightly more saturated flavour from the Avo with a single clapton, but still prefer the Theorem on the whole - and I think the right build might bring out a little more than I've been getting. It's very quick and easy to build on, lots of space for clumsy builders like me, quick to re-wick compared the the Avo, and quicker and less messy refilling. As I said, no leaking so far which is impressive with this type of design. Clouds for me are less than the Avo, but still a very satisfying vape with more than enough cloud capacity for most. Not a cloud-chasers tank though, but you already knew that. I'd definitely recommend this tank and consider getting another.
Sounds like a decent atty and I'm really just after flavour and something easy.
Another update. Some things I don't like about this RTA.
First "issue" is the glue they used to bond the SS sleeve to the glass tank did not hold up. This atty gets hot with long, slow lung hits in succession, and the sleeve to glass bond failed to the point that my sleeve slides on and off so freely that it also spins. Had glue goobers everywhere to clean off, so I simply wiped what was left of the glue off completely. I may try another glue I have (Loctite Super Glue) to see if it will hold up better, or just go to glass only with the panty blue o-rings until I can find some black ones.
The AFC doesn't want to always stay set unless you really snug it's lock ring down. Between the lock ring with no knurling and it's close proximity to the "fin" that's not easy to do with man sized hands. It has no provision to stay set with anything incorporated between the pieces themselves that helps.
With top air only for the horizontal Clapton a lot of juice condensation turns into seepage down onto the outside surface of the tank/SS sleeve via the more than ample AFC cap vent. IOW a wide vent that a lot of juice can collect on the outside from. Back air alone doesn't work as well with this build, and I expect (although not tried) both top and back air will create the seepage as well.
Sometimes it can be a chore to get the top cap off to refill. Assume the heat not being liked by the o-rings.
Flavor has been good with the juice I have been running, but not as good as it is in other BF atty's on Reos. The build and the higher wattage are the probable causes though. I don't normally run it on Clapton coils.
For the last two mentioned I have tried running at lower wattages. If that helps it's not much.
Keep in mind this is my first build on it that I have ran since I first got it. I will probably try a dual KA1 or Ni80 vertical build with back air only, or another single horizontal with the same wires (not a Clapton).
First "issue" is the glue they used to bond the SS sleeve to the glass tank did not hold up. This atty gets hot with long, slow lung hits in succession, and the sleeve to glass bond failed to the point that my sleeve slides on and off so freely that it also spins. Had glue goobers everywhere to clean off, so I simply wiped what was left of the glue off completely. I may try another glue I have (Loctite Super Glue) to see if it will hold up better, or just go to glass only with the panty blue o-rings until I can find some black ones.
The AFC doesn't want to always stay set unless you really snug it's lock ring down. Between the lock ring with no knurling and it's close proximity to the "fin" that's not easy to do with man sized hands. It has no provision to stay set with anything incorporated between the pieces themselves that helps.
With top air only for the horizontal Clapton a lot of juice condensation turns into seepage down onto the outside surface of the tank/SS sleeve via the more than ample AFC cap vent. IOW a wide vent that a lot of juice can collect on the outside from. Back air alone doesn't work as well with this build, and I expect (although not tried) both top and back air will create the seepage as well.
Sometimes it can be a chore to get the top cap off to refill. Assume the heat not being liked by the o-rings.
Flavor has been good with the juice I have been running, but not as good as it is in other BF atty's on Reos. The build and the higher wattage are the probable causes though. I don't normally run it on Clapton coils.
For the last two mentioned I have tried running at lower wattages. If that helps it's not much.
Keep in mind this is my first build on it that I have ran since I first got it. I will probably try a dual KA1 or Ni80 vertical build with back air only, or another single horizontal with the same wires (not a Clapton).
Thanks. Good thing I didn't get a chance to pick this up today.
I think I'm going to skip this altogether.
After all the major HYPE of this tank I was amped to try it... first thing I did (well @BigGuy did) was rip out the stupid Notch Coil and build an Ni80 26g single coil for me and wick it with Bacon Cotton... 0,8Ω. As always I filled it up with my ADV and test Juice XXX.
Brilliant flavour and probably on par with my Avocado which I enjoy so much. But that's the positive... the negative is that the tank capacity is stupid like the Avo... the tank capacity is really really doff... and to make matters worse you need a needle nose bottle or syringe to fill the stupid thing! At least with my Avo I can use a normal bottle or dripper...
I don't see this tank getting much of my attention and will probably be kept for juice testing...
Roll on the big Avo!
Brilliant flavour and probably on par with my Avocado which I enjoy so much. But that's the positive... the negative is that the tank capacity is stupid like the Avo... the tank capacity is really really doff... and to make matters worse you need a needle nose bottle or syringe to fill the stupid thing! At least with my Avo I can use a normal bottle or dripper...
I don't see this tank getting much of my attention and will probably be kept for juice testing...
Roll on the big Avo!
What I suspected.
I have no love for the guy from suck my mod and I really though JayBo would have pioneered an awesome atty.
The vape industry is moving so fast, I am mistaken to think we can always expect great things from a designer.
So glad i waited
I had a toot off a Theorem running a single notch coil today. I found the flavor crisp and un-hyped. Was not a cloudy build but flavor was perfect. Compares very favourably to the Gemini RTA just much more 'sane' if I may say it like that. Like. Not enough to buy one but I saw no faults.
The Avo 24 is still quite a ways out... preorders. The one I have been following is predicting mid June arrival.
I have no problem filling the Theorem with drippers from 15/30/60ml bottles, and can do it with some of my 100-120ml bottles depending on the twist on/off long nose caps they have. Since none of my tanks hold more juice than it AND that I don't want big/tall tanks, it's juice capacity is no worse or better than the others I have.
Gold?
So you have the complete collection now? When you can, please take a pic with them all together, thanks!
Thanks Rob, that is just a beautiful sight. That Theorem looks nice (keeping on track with the thread)To keep the thread on track the Theorem is on the Champagne one!
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Such a pity, I would have expected more from Jaybo, especially hearing the sub build quality. Go back to making mods
