DIY - Your first time
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Ah ok, that makes sense, well after this weekend you think I should change my name to...
seeing as I have been silver more then anything else.
Seriously though, it aint fun. I would build a coil, test it, like it, vape it, Silver. Build the next coil, test it, like it, vape it, silver... you would think that after the 4th or 5th session I would learn... Nope. Today my nephew got bubble blowing toys. bubble toys and vape folk with new toys = Silver.
Haha, what doesn't kill you makes you....silver
And to be honest, I'm pretty sure Ill do it all over again... If I have to
I am not even going to try and argue that point... It is true, I might have a problem
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/threads/doing-a-silver-what-does-this-mean.4335/New term I heard twice today and I have no idea what it means, what is silvering? I am pretty sure its not a evil look from @Silver
Heheh, perhaps you should make yourself a zero nic 'coil tester' juice - but I can definitely relate. Not with the coil building part, but I often Silver when we are testing new flavours. I'm always so excited about them that I have to test them all as soon as we get them, then I end up having a bit of a lie downI am not even going to try and argue that point... It is true, I might have a problem
This flavour was very weak at 10% even with a week or steeping, so @Derick suggested adding about 1% vanilla. This makes the other flavour more pronounced. Seems to work but I wanted a really sweet raspberry so I have taken it up to 13%.You're missing out...the moonlight and naked dancing is the best part
I'm curious as to why it was tasteless at first...did you just steep the original mix to improve the flavour, or did you mix up a new batch at a different ratio?
I guess I was lucky with my first flavours (TFA Pineapple + TFA Energy Drink) in that they were quite pronounced (at only 8%) without any steeping at all. I have some steeping (with moonlight and dancing) and will test the difference in a week or two - but so far it's been quite nice (maybe a tad harsh during extended use).
) and will test the difference in a week or two - but so far it's been quite nice (maybe a tad harsh during extended use).
Great stuff, thanks for sharing. If I ever need something really sweet this will come in quite handy
I have just made a new mix. Here is my mix details
I just finished it and was a little hasty to try it, I dropped some into the RDA and had a good toot on that one. I find that there is strong taste of something but not sure what. It then goes very bland.
(I forgot to tick the tick boxes next to the flavors which affected my batch. I don't know how negative this effect would be though)
I am putting it down to that there was no steeping.
For the steeping process. I filled my two 15ml bottles and dropped them into a bowl of hot water to get the juice more juicy. I did this for about 10 minutes, after which I gave them a good shake for about 5 minutes. I then closed the two bottles on tin foil where they will now stay in a fairly warm box for about a week. once this week is done I will run the batch through a RDA and let you guys know what the outcome was.
I just finished it and was a little hasty to try it, I dropped some into the RDA and had a good toot on that one. I find that there is strong taste of something but not sure what
. It then goes very bland.(I forgot to tick the tick boxes next to the flavors which affected my batch. I don't know how negative this effect would be though)
I am putting it down to that there was no steeping.
For the steeping process. I filled my two 15ml bottles and dropped them into a bowl of hot water to get the juice more juicy. I did this for about 10 minutes, after which I gave them a good shake for about 5 minutes. I then closed the two bottles on tin foil where they will now stay in a fairly warm box for about a week. once this week is done I will run the batch through a RDA and let you guys know what the outcome was.
Mixing sweet and bitter is a tough thing to do - not that easy to get the balance right, but when you do it is pretty awesomeI have just made a new mix. Here is my mix details
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I just finished it and was a little hasty to try it, I dropped some into the RDA and had a good toot on that one. I find that there is strong taste of something but not sure what
(I forgot to tick the tick boxes next to the flavors which affected my batch. I don't know how negative this effect would be though)
I am putting it down to that there was no steeping.
For the steeping process. I filled my two 15ml bottles and dropped them into a bowl of hot water to get the juice more juicy. I did this for about 10 minutes, after which I gave them a good shake for about 5 minutes. I then closed the two bottles on tin foil where they will now stay in a fairly warm box for about a week. once this week is done I will run the batch through a RDA and let you guys know what the outcome was.
I had a feeling that there will be some fine tuning to this one. But the bug is biting hard now. I will definitely need to come visit you for some more flavors.
Yep, will definitely need fine tuning, after it has steeped, give it a taste and then I recommend you adjust just one of the flavours at a time, if you change both you will not know which adjustment made the change
. When I'm testing like that, I make use of heat to do some 'speed steeping'. Does not work as well as just time, but it works pretty decently, especially when you are trying to balance the flavours. For the final taste test I do a proper steep over a week or two.
Yep, will definitely need fine tuning, after it has steeped, give it a taste and then I recommend you adjust just one of the flavours at a time, if you change both you will not know which adjustment made the change
For the final taste test I do a proper steep over a week or two.
Awesome thanks. I will give that a go, I want to try let the one bottle rest for a week or two. the other bottle I will play with and see if I can improve the flavor, after the other has steeped I can compare the two and see where the changes made it better.
I have just made a new mix. Here is my mix details
View attachment 18396
I just finished it and was a little hasty to try it, I dropped some into the RDA and had a good toot on that one. I find that there is strong taste of something but not sure what
(I forgot to tick the tick boxes next to the flavors which affected my batch. I don't know how negative this effect would be though)
I am putting it down to that there was no steeping.
For the steeping process. I filled my two 15ml bottles and dropped them into a bowl of hot water to get the juice more juicy. I did this for about 10 minutes, after which I gave them a good shake for about 5 minutes. I then closed the two bottles on tin foil where they will now stay in a fairly warm box for about a week. once this week is done I will run the batch through a RDA and let you guys know what the outcome was.
I love the TFA Black Cherry flavour but I've found that at high percentages it starts tasting a bit medicinal and I'm pretty sure that might be the strong taste you pick up after mixing, it does back off with a good steep but this may well be a good case of 'less is more', I'd suggest starting lower (~6%) and working your way up.
I'm not sure how useful this is but a while back I adopted the 100 drop (1 drop = 1%) test method from a user on ECF (Bill's magic vapor), basically if you wanted 50/50 PG/VG with 6% Black Cherry and 4% Dulche De Leche, you would have:
40 drops PG (50% PG minus the 10% of PG based flavouring)
50 drops VG
6 drops Black Cherry
4 drops Dulche De Leche
So as you can see that adds up to 100 drops, with my dropper I get about 33 drops per ml, so this would yield roughly 3ml's of sample liquid. I bought 100 x 10ml glass vials from moco packaging (http://www.mocopack.co.za/) a while back for ~R200.00, they look like so:
I'd typically mix up 3 or more of these with varying flavour percentages, a crude example of the drop test above would be something like:
- 6% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
- 10% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
- 15% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
Some random thoughts:
- This method isn't exact and doesn't work for everyone but I've find that it provides a quick way to get a good approximation of what a mix would taste like without wasting too many base resources.
- This method gets complicated if you want to add nic, since we don't get 100mg/ml nic base in these parts (that I know of), some more math is required to get the volumes correct for your prefered nic level, since this is supposed to be a quick test method I don't bother putting any nic in my samples.
- This method also gets tricky if you want to add fractional parts of flavouring i.e. 0.25%, it's possible by increase the total number of drops but again this slows things down so I typically stick to whole percentages.
I haven't tried Black Cherry with Dulche De Leche but have had success with 6% Capella Vanilla Custard and 4% TFA Bavarian Cream as secondary flavours, maybe something else for you to experiment with.
And yeah, I suspect at this point I'm just rambling, so I'm going to stop here
Awesome post - I have read of the 100 drop method and yep, excellent way to get going, especially if you are doing the zero nic as you said.I love the TFA Black Cherry flavour but I've found that at high percentages it starts tasting a bit medicinal and I'm pretty sure that might be the strong taste you pick up after mixing, it does back off with a good steep but this may well be a good case of 'less is more', I'd suggest starting lower (~6%) and working your way up.
I'm not sure how useful this is but a while back I adopted the 100 drop (1 drop = 1%) test method from a user on ECF (Bill's magic vapor), basically if you wanted 50/50 PG/VG with 6% Black Cherry and 4% Dulche De Leche, you would have:
40 drops PG (50% PG minus the 10% of PG based flavouring)
50 drops VG
6 drops Black Cherry
4 drops Dulche De Leche
So as you can see that adds up to 100 drops, with my dropper I get about 33 drops per ml, so this would yield roughly 3ml's of sample liquid. I bought 100 x 10ml glass vials from moco packaging (http://www.mocopack.co.za/) a while back for ~R200.00, they look like so:
View attachment 18401
I'd typically mix up 3 or more of these with varying flavour percentages, a crude example of the drop test above would be something like:
These vials, so far, seem to have a tight seal and can be safely submerged in warm water to aid in slightly accelerated steeping.
- 6% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
- 10% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
- 15% Black Cherry, 6% Dulche De Leche
Some random thoughts:
More random thoughts:
- This method isn't exact and doesn't work for everyone but I've find that it provides a quick way to get a good approximation of what a mix would taste like without wasting too many base resources.
- This method gets complicated if you want to add nic, since we don't get 100mg/ml nic base in these parts (that I know of), some more math is required to get the volumes correct for your prefered nic level, since this is supposed to be a quick test method I don't bother putting any nic in my samples.
- This method also gets tricky if you want to add fractional parts of flavouring i.e. 0.25%, it's possible by increase the total number of drops but again this slows things down so I typically stick to whole percentages.
I haven't tried Black Cherry with Dulche De Leche but have had success with 6% Capella Vanilla Custard and 4% TFA Bavarian Cream as secondary flavours, maybe something else for you to experiment with.
And yeah, I suspect at this point I'm just rambling, so I'm going to stop here
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