aren't you supposed to burning something down somewhere "in the name of da peoples"Listen Mina Moo, you can dislike all my post, Constand Bester will proof you wrong
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aren't you supposed to burning something down somewhere "in the name of da peoples"Listen Mina Moo, you can dislike all my post, Constand Bester will proof you wrong
I sell hardware on the side. For a v8. If you paying 600-700 they ripping you of. If you paying 350 it's a knock offWhile we on this topic can someone please help me with this question,it's been bugging me for a week now,most vendors sell Smok V8 sticks from R500-R700,the other day I passed a small vape/hookah/tobacco shop and saw it marked for R350,do you think there are Smok clones as well? Or is this shop just very cheap? I heard of Eleaf clones but not Smok
That's the beauty of it... they can't claim moral supremacyOK, my 2c (think we are close to a Rand here with all the 2c so far)(also, please ignore any grammar/syntax mistakes as English is my second most delicious language)
I was one of the first people to join the NCZ group on FB, I thought it was great initiative. I'm regularly ousting sellers of fake juice on FB and as far as I go I warn people against the dangers of using these fake juices and fake Pico/Smok/Kangertech mods and cheap batteries. I was overjoyed that it wasn't going to be just me ranting on FB anymore. I never ousted these peddlers of "death juice" because i thought that 'Nasty might not be able to pay it's bonuses this year' if I didn't, I did it because it poses a major health risk to people that made a conscious decision to live healthier. So when the first complaint about HE gear being cloned and sold for cheaper was posted, I didn't pay it much attention, it takes all sorts to win a war. But then quickly the posts on the group turned to HE Hand checks and people parading expensive mods (In my entire time on the group, I saw maybe 3 posts of people with "Regular" mid-level gear chiming in and showing support) I made a post about helping people with mid-level gear that perform close to HE originals that we could use to suggest to people as alternatives to "clones", if i remember correctly i got about 4-5 responses, and it went in the direction of "Can't compare a Audi to a Beetle" even though I specified I wasn't looking for mid-range that out performed or performed the same as HE, just devices similar in performance. But the HE crowd seems to not like the fact that there might be "cheaper" devices that could out perform their Expensive Devices. And then when it came to the Chubby Gorilla bottles, I lost all interest. The bottles were "for now" a non-issue as the single local supplier of said bottles could not service everyone. So when he does, must all juice makers now use the single South African supplier or be boycotted?
OEM bottles for me leak less in anyway. So although I think the NCZ group was started with great intentions, it became Elitist and Cadre Uplifting very quickly in my humble opinion.
sorry for the "emotional" and non-factional post, but the facts have been stated before in this thread, HE manufacturers develop limited quantities to ensure exclusivity, and I see in no way how Kennedy or the likes are going to suffer due to china clones, as they sell out their stock fairly quickly.
If the initiative turns to the support of stopping dangerous devices and juice, count me back in, but i'm not going to lose sleep over someone buying a R500 Dwarv clone.
Also, there is a well know vendor on here that has helped so many new and existing vapers with advice and getting the right equipment etc, he's PIF a few items to people that needed it and is always helpful, he sells good quality clones in his store, am I to boycott him now because he sells them? So i should rather support the obnoxious and money grubby shops because they have some "Moral supremacy" to that vendor? Hell no I wont. I support the people that actually support the community and not just their bank accounts. No use in throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Or they have better import contactsI sell hardware on the side. For a v8. If you paying 600-700 they ripping you of. If you paying 350 it's a knock off
But then quickly the posts on the group turned to HE Hand checks and people parading expensive mods (In my entire time on the group, I saw maybe 3 posts of people with "Regular" mid-level gear chiming in and showing support) I made a post about helping people with mid-level gear that perform close to HE originals that we could use to suggest to people as alternatives to "clones", if i remember correctly i got about 4-5 responses, and it went in the direction of "Can't compare a Audi to a Beetle" even though I specified I wasn't looking for mid-range that out performed or performed the same as HE, just devices similar in performance. But the HE crowd seems to not like the fact that there might be "cheaper" devices that could out perform their Expensive Devices.
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I sell hardware on the side. For a v8. If you paying 600-700 they ripping you of. If you paying 350 it's a knock off
NCZ was never an elitist group... it's simply about authentic gear and juice.
Oh no i get that now Rob i really do, i just think allot of people need to understand that
There is no difference between vape gear and any other new goods you would bring into the country. So technically you should declare presents you bring into the country.
If it was my in-laws I would get them to open the parcels and bring them in as their own personal vape gear.
The only people that don't understand that are the ones that are shouting "Elitists!" or "HE bastards!"
Same discrimination works the other way round (NCZ as uncle Ron said was never about this....) , why must I be labeled if I choose to spend my money on higher tier vape gear and be called all kinds of names ?
Thought we left the emotions at the door....
Im going to stay on topic here, this is the first time we are hearing the full description of the NCZ and i like it, I’m not fighting the cause I AM FOR IT, you need to realise one thing Daniel, I’m un biased and was under the assumption that this was a war on HE Clones, as did many)
What you seem to misunderstand is no one cares what you buy, but its when the average joe was made to feel unwelcome here with his clones ****** this was before i was educated on the NCZ and came around******
So you see Daniel, it took a few adult words from Rob to educate me and join the cause,
You seem to get to emotionally involved and this makes the NCZ seem arrogant which is not what Rob wants...
So instead of fighting and losing your temper at me continuously(its cool that you have a problem with me, it makes me laugh) educate people on the error of their ways
No emotion here ..... merely stating what's good for the gander .... and again , I am still to see ANY posts of anyone (let alone the "HE crowd") making anyone feel unwelcome because they using clone hardware.
People are very quick to assume , but we all need to be responsible in what we say on the forum (especially these days with the Legislation looming and vaping under the spotlight) before going off on a tangent and making assumptions (myself included).
I would also like to request that this thread remain open for it has not yet served its full purpose I think.
@jm10 and @BioHAZarD,
I have been called many names and many assumptions have been made towards myself over the years e.g. elitist and condescending.
I still maintain that there is no such thing as LE gear as the term was coined a while back.
I have made a decision to support only shops that are counterfeit free a good year ago and the guys I generally support had the clone free stance from the beginning of their business as part of their business plan.
I personally feel I get judged (which does not bother me 1 bit) because I chose to only buy authentic gear.
I do not specifically buy HE but rather quality devices that have an element of longevity e.g. a mod with a lifetime guarantee as my aim is fine tune a device and use it for a long time.
Some of my gear is exclusive but it is because I have enjoyed the vape from said atty so much that I had to get more of the same thing.
The bulk of my "exclusive" atties are not for everyone as it's not their vape style and also are about 2 or 3 years old.
I also want to add that I personally have no issues with people using clone devices as it's their choice and the main aim as always is to stop smoking.
I will also not deny that there are people that post items as a show of their status but I can assure you there are not many and the few don't typically last the test of time in any community.
There are many great enthusiasts in this community and I can appreciate our love (and hate) that we have and would encourage and facilitate constructive debates where possible.
I recall a thread on the forum about a year or so ago that asked vendors to put their names down if they were clone free vendors. Wasn't a very long list If I recall correctly...Personally I know of only one that has never stocked clones...obviously there may be more.Let us speak plainly then.
To date, reputable vendors in SA have for the most part cashed in on clone sales in a huge way. That is not speculation. That is a fact, given that all the products were available for the world to see on their websites and by default then in their stores as well. Now that we have established that point we can further conclude that the market was therefore already fairly saturated by said clone sales and everybody was living happily ever after, expanding and smiling happily to themselves about the fat profits they were making (vendors now).
I don't want to be rude or anything BUT the vendors are 100% to blame for the situation that the little guys are sitting in. Now that this NCZ has started it has mostly likely just created hot spots where clones are being sold in larger quantities than before due to the previously mentioned group of vendors not satisfying the market demand for clones.
I am sorry but that is the honest truth and most likely the view of the general forum (i could of course be totally wrong but then ask yourself....how did all those clones sell out so fast in repeated instances)and putting this spin of IP and the little man on it does the initiative no good and adds absolutely no validity to the cause it is pursuing.
If you want to succeed the vendors that started this whole mess in the first place needs to fix it..... how they do that..... no easy solution