Sadly, retail staff in general will push the upsell rather than punt the right advice/ device. There are very few that will actually advise correctly if it results in lower sales. There are a few yes, but very few, and far between. I've actually noticed we get much better advice (including a lower sale, but more based on our needs), from store owners. This perhaps points to a training/ skill/ knowledge issue as well- I've had store staff try to sell me dual coils that run at 0.08/0.09, to run on my complyfe.
Yup my biggest pet peeve un educated or even worse educated vape staff selling hardware/juice without actually speaking to the customer and seeing what they want to keep them off the stinkies.....
Is it not R300? 25% off? @DanielR350 if you download the app and refer someone
While we on this topic can someone please help me with this question,it's been bugging me for a week now,most vendors sell Smok V8 sticks from R500-R700,the other day I passed a small vape/hookah/tobacco shop and saw it marked for R350,do you think there are Smok clones as well? Or is this shop just very cheap? I heard of Eleaf clones but not Smok
I've heard of smok clones in the market, so possible.
You are correct sir lol I almost didn't make Math higher grade
for anyone wanting to get off the stinkies this is a no Brainer!
They are indeed clones! Eleaf and Smok are the most cloned items!
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You wanted to click the Dislike button didn't you? It's ok you're forgiven....sorry man
clicked too fast
just woke up from a nap
all better
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actually the dislike and winner ratings are almost equal distances form one another so now i am just not going to rate it
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Not arguing that is it wrong or right as I have no moral high ground here to preach from. I am only stating the facts.
Is it expensive to patent. Damn right it is. Why ??? Because you are patenting expensive R&D that went into the fabrication or developing of this product. Do I believe that the R&D that went into vape products fall into this category. Difficult question to answer as there is almost never an enduring benefit to these products. They are once off for the most part and the expected return is for the most part probably not worth the effort as your return would not cover the cost. I would therefore say the market system is against protecting that form of product or again the business model does not cater for year on year sales. Your software for instance, I imagine is designed to exist for quite some time and retain its relevance by way of upgrades, patches etc to extend the shelf-life and so forth. I would therefore conclude that the producers of these items are well aware of the risk they expose themselves too when entering the market.
I would go even further with the mainstream designers and say that they actually could not care given that the product would be obsolete in 6 months time or less given the release schedule that they maintain to fuel the hype train.
So where does this leave us.....Smack bang nowhere.....You want to be nice to the person that designed the product by all means go ahead....Does it actually mean anything....Honestly I don't think so.
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the optimistic rating
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you are going to be gooing wolke and listening to mission impossible tunes while they shoot you in the head
I think the fact is that copying someone else's work is wrong.
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Let us speak plainly then.
To date, reputable vendors in SA have for the most part cashed in on clone sales in a huge way. That is not speculation. That is a fact, given that all the products were available for the world to see on their websites and by default then in their stores as well. Now that we have established that point we can further conclude that the market was therefore already fairly saturated by said clone sales and everybody was living happily ever after, expanding and smiling happily to themselves about the fat profits they were making (vendors now).
I don't want to be rude or anything BUT the vendors are 100% to blame for the situation that the little guys are sitting in. Now that this NCZ has started it has mostly likely just created hot spots where clones are being sold in larger quantities than before due to the previously mentioned group of vendors not satisfying the market demand for clones.
I am sorry but that is the honest truth and most likely the view of the general forum (i could of course be totally wrong but then ask yourself....how did all those clones sell out so fast in repeated instances)and putting this spin of IP and the little man on it does the initiative no good and adds absolutely no validity to the cause it is pursuing.
If you want to succeed the vendors that started this whole mess in the first place needs to fix it..... how they do that..... no easy solution
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I can graciously give you that point.
I can be overly harsh at times. Comes with the job
But nobody can say you are not an advocate for the community.
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@Rob Fisher have i caught up now?
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we are saying the same thing but in a different way.
How long will that sustain, though? We saw this with computers. When I first started computing in the early 1990s, I went from 286 to 386 to 486 to Pentium in almost as many years. You literally needed a hardware upgrade every six months: more RAM, better graphics card, bigger HD. And then you also had to upgrade your modem: 9600, 14k, 28k, 56k and so on.
Nowadays, PC specs have leveled off a lot. You can buy a current PC and it's still totally useful five years down the line. I think vape gear will too. Already the JUUL is showing much more longevity than previous devices.
Still, the costs of IP protection and dealing with regulation, along with economies of scale, will see the industry rationalise heavily towards the inevitable capitalist model of half-a-dozen giant players.
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Very good point.
You will actually find that the computer market has become extremely polarised with end users being much more informed than in prior years.
On the one hand you would find tech requirements to be reasonably stagnant for large corporations in that they would keep pc's and laptops for a good couple of years and only do an unscheduled major upgrade if their were specific unavoidable OS requirements.
Then you sit with a whole host of gamers that come in all shapes and sizes that command various sectors of the market and rightly so given that the vendors are catering for them specifically. You would have the high end fanboy that will spend as much as he can on new tech. They are clearly the smallest percentage. The midrange gamer is where they make their money. This game would stretch his upgrades as far as possible and woule purchase the best bang for buck product.
Now you sit with the developers that feed the hype that controls the market. A high end GFX means nothing it a game can't utilise it. The current iteration is however a prime example where they dropped the ball in a huge way. Queue Ray Tracing and the lack of support at release date. Huge anticipation with pre orders racing out on a promise. Which was not really fulfilled. A wicked cycle and it will keep repeating itself while the hype is being fueled
The large players will not be slowing down their development cycles anytime soon. The industry demands it.
Let us speak plainly then.
To date, reputable vendors in SA have for the most part cashed in on clone sales in a huge way. That is not speculation. That is a fact, given that all the products were available for the world to see on their websites and by default then in their stores as well. Now that we have established that point we can further conclude that the market was therefore already fairly saturated by said clone sales and everybody was living happily ever after, expanding and smiling happily to themselves about the fat profits they were making (vendors now).
I don't want to be rude or anything BUT the vendors are 100% to blame for the situation that the little guys are sitting in. Now that this NCZ has started it has mostly likely just created hot spots where clones are being sold in larger quantities than before due to the previously mentioned group of vendors not satisfying the market demand for clones.
I am sorry but that is the honest truth and most likely the view of the general forum (i could of course be totally wrong but then ask yourself....how did all those clones sell out so fast in repeated instances)and putting this spin of IP and the little man on it does the initiative no good and adds absolutely no validity to the cause it is pursuing.
If you want to succeed the vendors that started this whole mess in the first place needs to fix it..... how they do that..... no easy solution
Agreed the vendors are to blame... but I think the reason that a lot of the established vendors are no longer doing clones is that the market has reached a point where there are plenty of good authentic reasonably priced products to satisfy the market and they stocked clones to satisfy the market (and it was never right)... but yes I concede that a lot of vendors (but not all) started the problem in the first place.
But it's got nothing to do with big and small vendors... for me anyway... big and small stocked clones before and big and small stock clones now...
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@Rob Fisher
Has this just become a discussion between you and me
I find that so funny i am actually laughing harder than when I posted the role play post between you and @Daniel. And that was really really funny
Has this just become a discussion between you and me
I find that so funny i am actually laughing harder than when I posted the role play post between you and @Daniel. And that was really really funny
@Rob Fisher
Has this just become a discussion between you and me
I find that so funny i am actually laughing harder than when I posted the role play post between you and @Daniel. And that was really really funny
I guess everyone has gone to sleep... and that's where I should be heading after driving back from PTA today... but I missed my Vape Cave and need to catch up... but I'm going down fast now...
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Its been a long day ... another couple of hours and then bed
Its been a long day ... another couple of hours and then bed
For me, it will be a couple more minutes... I try and hit the sack by pumpkin time.
