Play nice guys @BioHAZarD @jm10 ... it's festive season. Where's your festive spirit?
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Didn’t notice your avatar till now, very sneaky....didn’t know you were a founding member
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Play nice guys @BioHAZarD @jm10 ... it's festive season. Where's your festive spirit?
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Lekker sharpDidn’t notice your avatar till now, very sneaky....didn’t know you were a founding member
Did you clone the Wotofo logo there. Naughty naughty.
bollocks! left wing antifa “happy’s” THRIVE on cheap goods or did “living under a black flag” all of a sudden change its meaning? not having money means gold or silver standards returning as they RIGHTfully should. chaos and anarchy belongs to the left, the right has always sought order, aka facism, tradition and seek to Conserve.There is no pace for clones in the world. By buying clones you support anarchy. No economy can survive if there is no control over cloning. There will be no incentive or protection for entrepreneurs to develop new products, unemployment will rise and economies will fall. At the end all you will be able to buy is cheap unreliable untested products.
Buying clones is something rightwing doomsday preppers do, they want anarchy. There is not enough grey matter between the ears to realize the longterm concequences.
Not having money is a !oad of BS. If you dont have money, you should not have smoked in the first place, nevermind vape.
Hey bud.There is no pace for clones in the world. By buying clones you support anarchy. No economy can survive if there is no control over cloning. There will be no incentive or protection for entrepreneurs to develop new products, unemployment will rise and economies will fall. At the end all you will be able to buy is cheap unreliable untested products.
Buying clones is something rightwing doomsday preppers do, they want anarchy. There is not enough grey matter between the ears to realize the longterm concequences.
Not having money is a !oad of BS. If you dont have money, you should not have smoked in the first place, nevermind vape.
There is no pace for clones in the world. By buying clones you support anarchy. No economy can survive if there is no control over cloning. There will be no incentive or protection for entrepreneurs to develop new products, unemployment will rise and economies will fall. At the end all you will be able to buy is cheap unreliable untested products.
Buying clones is something rightwing doomsday preppers do, they want anarchy. There is not enough grey matter between the ears to realize the longterm concequences.
Not having money is a !oad of BS. If you dont have money, you should not have smoked in the first place, nevermind vape.
You guys are complaining for three days that someone must take a bite out the apple, so since noin of the movement came, I decided to keep the thread goingYou are like a seesaw bud and is your doomsday predictions based on facts or times in history?
You guys are complaining for three days that someone must take a bite out the apple, so since noin of the movement came, I decided to keep the thread going
NonHey bud.
Just a few quick questions:
Have you ever downloaded a movie or watched a movie downloaded from a torrent website?
Have you ever downloaded a tv series or watched a tv series downloaded from a torrent website?
Have you ever downloaded an MP3 without paying royalties to the artist?
Have you ever bought a packet of cigarettes from a stall on the side of the road?
Have you ever downloaded an illegal copy of a game on your PC without paying for it?
If the answer is yes to one or any of the above then you have engaged in or you have condoned the theft of intellectual property; which is essentially the basis of cloning
Listen Mina Moo, you can dislike all my post, Constand Bester will proof you wrong
Well I trust you have all had fun and at some peoples expense… this thread really makes me sad… it’s what is wrong with social media… but let me talk for a second about the No Clone Zone… most of you may or may not be aware that a lot of legitimate vape shops are under a lot of financial pressure now that vaping has become main stream and the less than ethical people are coming out of the woodwork… they see vaping as a way to make a quick buck and has nothing to do with the passion that most proper vape stores have in the struggle to get people off stinkies and onto vaping.
A lot of these side-line stores that sell all sorts of crap are now stocking counterfeit juices and clone hardware and the result is that legitimate vape stores are under pressure and may even end up closing… I have had a chat to a few stores in the JHB and PTA area recently and some are even reporting an 80% drop in turnover due to the shop down the street or across the road selling fake juices and hardware. Yes, I guess the proliferation of vape outlets hasn’t helped either.
The other thing to realise is that Joe Average who is not on the forum or Facebook groups have no idea what they are buying and walk into a vape store… check the prices and go across the road and save money on Clone Gear.
Let’s talk about ethics and intellectual property for a second… yes we have all downloaded movies and music in our time and bought a t-shirt from a street vendor or at a flea market but vaping is our passion and in a lot of cases has saved lives and it’s our hobby and our community… do we really want to be associated with clones, fakes and counterfeits?
Yes a lot of us that have been around the vaping scene for a few years has bought and tried clones because in those days we couldn’t get the authentics and that was all we could buy back in the day… but now there are so many excellent Chinese products that work really well there really is no need to buy a product who’s design has been stolen and replicated by unscrupulous manufacturers (many of which are from China) who don’t give a shit about stealing someone’s else work to make a buck.
Yes I feel strongly about the cloning of high end products because in a lot of cases I know and have met a lot of the modders and I feel really bad for them that I get excited about great authentic products in SA and then the clones start arriving in the country… Billet Box, Skyline and Dvarw to name a couple of products I was first to enjoy in SA. You would feel the same way if a mate of yours was getting shafted.
As a matter of interest without any marketing over a 100 vendors have joined the No Clone Zone without any pressure at all… this only goes to show that the industry and the many of SA’s vaping vendors feel this is a very relevant topic and it will continue to garner support.
That is my 2c worth… and I’m not going to get into a long drawn out discussion because I simply don’t have the time or the inclination to respond to drama and trolling… All I’m interested in is promoting the hobby and passion we call vaping in SA.
Thank you.Hi all
This thread was created to discuss the topic of clones - where some posts were moved here so it could have a place. (They were in the Whats in your hand thread)
To those that have added constructive commentary, thank you - as I said in one of my posts, its great to hear different points of view.
But please, if you want to continue commenting here, keep it respectful and on topic. And don't get personal or make personal insults. There are so many "nonsense" posts and off-topic posts - that one has to click through pages of it to get to the constructive commentary. This only serves to make the poster look bad and it paints the forum in a bad light.
If you are not going to post valid constructive commentary and the thread continues much like it has before, then it will have to be locked. And that would not be a good thing.
Thank you
Hey @Daniel i am sure we may have a beer at some stage. No idea how the evening will end after a couple though. Just to clarify.... non of the pot shots were personal ... well mostly notThank you.
From my side I apologize to the community for my emotional responses. We are all better than this and at the end of the day its about the community and staying healthy. I'm sure one day we'll have a beer and laugh about this sillyness.... Gooi Wolke Pappa!
Dude you are all over the place. I can't keep track of which side of the fence you on or even if you are in the same district as said fence.Just two things. Our economy is not doing well, bussinesses in all sectors are closing down, from food, construction, services etc. So surely cloning cant be the culprit?scapegoat for bussinesses closing? I in fact just see new vape shops opening everywhere.
Then, as I said before. On avarage juice work out at over R3300/L for your average juices. That is totally ridiculous. I was at chinatown on saturday buying 80m of ropelights for a client. The shop also sells what I pressume is fake juice at like R50 for Fantasi. Since I was there for almost 30min, not 3min past where someone did not buy a few juices. Now if the industry was so concerned about the community and protecting the industry, rather than making huge profits at R3300/l, then this would have been their main concern a long time ago. How can your aim be to get people of smoking but it will cost them way more on juice?
How can something made from cheap concentrates cost R3300/l where you can buy fillet steak for R150/kg, Crayfish for a tenth of that? You van buy wine, that has millions invested and researched etc, matured for a few years, for less than that?
This is where the shops are making their money, and ripping customers off, and at those prices they are feeding the clone wars themselves.
If anyone can diy juice at R400/l without even buying wholesale or in bulk, then a proper company can make it and get it sold by vendors for less than R1000/L and everyone will still have proper profit margins and the clones at chinatown will die a quick death
You all asked for a fight and no one responded, so I just took the other side to keep it entertainng, but now the bone got taken, so Im back on my side. Or you want me on the other side again?Dude you are all over the place. I can't keep track of which side of the fence you on or even if you are in the same district as said fence.