Absolutely.
Absolutely.
@baksteen8168, the way I see it is this: consumers are going to do what consumers do - obey their wallets and act in their own interests. We see this in every single sector. When Napster started and people could download 1000 LPs for free, they did so. When home taping was viable, people did it. When floppy disks or CDs of computer games could be copied, people did it. When cut-price grey market cigarettes are available, people buy them. When knock-off Ray-Bans or Nikes are available, people buy them. People can preach as much as they like that it's immoral and everybody needs to stand together to stamp it out. Consumers will ignore them like a Stop street. And, contrary to the doomsaying, the music and gaming industries didn't die because of home piracy. Both industries are doing just fine.
There is a saying "God grant me the courage to change the things I can change, the serenity to accept the things I can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference." I am not going to waste my time appealing to people to not buy knock-offs. I might as well appeal to the nation's criminals to see the light and not commit crime and cause misery anymore. Similarly, I will not pontificate that juice companies shouldn't steal DIY recipes published online. It's going to happen regardless of how many people pontificate about it. It is human nature to steal for gain and you can't talk people out of human nature.
As I've explained, I don't think clone companies are taking food out of the mouths of HE designers and manufacturers. They are taking food out of the mouths of other Chinese companies that produce budget gear that is similarly priced to clones. In the grand pantheon of problems facing humanity, two sets of Chinese companies locked in grim capitalistic combat is barely a blip on the radar. There are greater injustices to fight.
Perhaps due to vaping's emergence as a hobbyist collective, there exists the perception that the community must stand together and solve problems together. That became redundant the day that vaping went mainstream. Tobacco companies are not asking their customers to form social media activist groups that speak out and mobilise against illegal cigs. The tobacco companies have been mainstream long enough to see it as their own industry problem, not their customers' problem. Likewise when big tobacco is faced with regulation, they hire lawyers and fight it in court. They don't ask their customers to sign petitions. They know that it is not their customers' livelihood at stake, so the reaction will at best be lukewarm.
Vaping gets kicked in the teeth every time by this. Rip gets all hyper-ventilative because only 5k US vapers have signed the FDA's flavour petition. Yes, Rip, welcome to reality. Vapers don't make their livelihood from vaping, they are not going to bust a gut to save the industry. The industry must save itself. That is how life works.
And this too is why I don't stand outside PnP ringing a bell and agitating for consumers to boycott brand X of mayonnaise because they are "big mayonnaise" and used dirty tricks to screw over "little mayonnaise". Instead, I buy whichever mayonnaise appeals to me. I neither know nor care about the politics in the mayonnaise sector. It's their livelihood, they must sort it out. I'm a consumer, I buy what suits me. That is where my obligation ends.
I'm not even swayed by the argument that cheap clones help smokers to quit. I make my own choices and leave others to make theirs. If Piet Pompies believes Huisgenoot that vaping will give him popcorn lung and continues smoking instead, more power to him. That's his indaba, I am not going to lose any sleep over him choosing to smoke. Yet there are thousands of vapers who take it as some sort of mortal personal insult that Piet Pompies won't choose vaping. Wtf? I wish I had the time and energy to worry about such trivia. But I don't. I don't need to save a billion lives. Saving my own is enough.
There is a saying "God grant me the courage to change the things I can change, the serenity to accept the things I can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference." I am not going to waste my time appealing to people to not buy knock-offs. I might as well appeal to the nation's criminals to see the light and not commit crime and cause misery anymore. Similarly, I will not pontificate that juice companies shouldn't steal DIY recipes published online. It's going to happen regardless of how many people pontificate about it. It is human nature to steal for gain and you can't talk people out of human nature.
As I've explained, I don't think clone companies are taking food out of the mouths of HE designers and manufacturers. They are taking food out of the mouths of other Chinese companies that produce budget gear that is similarly priced to clones. In the grand pantheon of problems facing humanity, two sets of Chinese companies locked in grim capitalistic combat is barely a blip on the radar. There are greater injustices to fight.
Perhaps due to vaping's emergence as a hobbyist collective, there exists the perception that the community must stand together and solve problems together. That became redundant the day that vaping went mainstream. Tobacco companies are not asking their customers to form social media activist groups that speak out and mobilise against illegal cigs. The tobacco companies have been mainstream long enough to see it as their own industry problem, not their customers' problem. Likewise when big tobacco is faced with regulation, they hire lawyers and fight it in court. They don't ask their customers to sign petitions. They know that it is not their customers' livelihood at stake, so the reaction will at best be lukewarm.
Vaping gets kicked in the teeth every time by this. Rip gets all hyper-ventilative because only 5k US vapers have signed the FDA's flavour petition. Yes, Rip, welcome to reality. Vapers don't make their livelihood from vaping, they are not going to bust a gut to save the industry. The industry must save itself. That is how life works.
And this too is why I don't stand outside PnP ringing a bell and agitating for consumers to boycott brand X of mayonnaise because they are "big mayonnaise" and used dirty tricks to screw over "little mayonnaise". Instead, I buy whichever mayonnaise appeals to me. I neither know nor care about the politics in the mayonnaise sector. It's their livelihood, they must sort it out. I'm a consumer, I buy what suits me. That is where my obligation ends.
I'm not even swayed by the argument that cheap clones help smokers to quit. I make my own choices and leave others to make theirs. If Piet Pompies believes Huisgenoot that vaping will give him popcorn lung and continues smoking instead, more power to him. That's his indaba, I am not going to lose any sleep over him choosing to smoke. Yet there are thousands of vapers who take it as some sort of mortal personal insult that Piet Pompies won't choose vaping. Wtf? I wish I had the time and energy to worry about such trivia. But I don't. I don't need to save a billion lives. Saving my own is enough.
Lil Mayo needs all the help he can get !
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And still nothing from the NCZ. Maybe we are not important enough 
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@Daniel
@Martin Narainsamy and any other other NCZ individuals/groups why do you feel so strongly about your cause
@Martin Narainsamy and any other other NCZ individuals/groups why do you feel so strongly about your cause
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All official
And still nothing from the NCZ. Maybe we are not important enough
Its a bit weird, if they are not prepared to fight their case here how do they expect to win the war on clones.
If they brought forward some good points they could convince allot of people to stay away from clones but been silent never did anything.
Had no idea you were into cosplay.....
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There is a lot you don’t know
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Yawn yawn yawn
communist have the same playbook, it’s a culture war.
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Is there any place more boring than this forum today
I am actually paying attention to my meetings.
I am actually paying attention to my meetings.
if all goes well, i'm picking up a Clone BB this weekend... Hand checks will be done accordingly...
dealing with load shedding damage today.Is there any place more boring than this forum today
I am actually paying attention to my meetings.
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Easiest way to deal with troublemakers/ people looking for a fight, ignore them, they will get bored and move on.
Or better. Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself?(get banned)
So dont count your chickens before they hatch
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OkEasiest way to deal with troublemakers/ people looking for a fight, ignore them, they will get bored and move on.
Or better. Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself?(get banned)
So dont count your chickens before they hatch
You are banned
Easiest way to deal with troublemakers/ people looking for a fight, ignore them, they will get bored and move on.
Or better. Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself?(get banned)
So dont count your chickens before they hatch
Aren’t you a ray of sunshine
I thought their argument was "cause it's better" or "cause it's cool" or "cause uncle so and so told me to"....?????
well I’m convinced
i'm in. When's the pre-order?
i'm in. When's the pre-order?
Awesome! First you gotta hop on your left leg while touching your nose with your right hand. Then, with your left hand, take a selfie of you HE hop and post it on the super secret facebook page that can only be accessed from a device running Android 7 or above. Once this is done, you are entered into the fight club where you will need to take on a kangaroo (original, imported from AUS). You will need to land 3 punches, 2 left kicks and a roundhouse kick (you get to choose which leg you'd like to perform this with). If successful, you will receive an encrypted email with a link. Follow the link into the deep dark web and you will find the item you so desire. Keep in mind, the email will self-destructed after 30mins so best you act quick!
