Scammer alert - What was the outcome?
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I wasn't going to get sucked into this again so this is my final word - as far as I know all vendors were paid, but it took some threatening.
In light of this no-one took the matter any further. Vendors don't want to get sucked into this drama again hence the general silence.
A couple of us looked into his last excuse about the banking and it just didn't add up - strange that this so-called "absa migration" affected only one person - him.
To me everything he said and the way he acted is classic con-man tactics, keeping people confused and off guard with half truths.
The truth is seldom confusing.
Personally I don't trust him, and won't ever deal with him again, I think if you do deal with him, be cautious.
That's all I have to say on this and won't be commenting on the situation again if I can help it.
In light of this no-one took the matter any further. Vendors don't want to get sucked into this drama again hence the general silence.
A couple of us looked into his last excuse about the banking and it just didn't add up - strange that this so-called "absa migration" affected only one person - him.
To me everything he said and the way he acted is classic con-man tactics, keeping people confused and off guard with half truths.
The truth is seldom confusing.
Personally I don't trust him, and won't ever deal with him again, I think if you do deal with him, be cautious.
That's all I have to say on this and won't be commenting on the situation again if I can help it.
hey bud all good lol.I look forward to seeing you there as you get to know me you will see i don't do subtle but i do enjoy a good debate and like to stir things up a bit it's way better than seeing only stuff for sale lol and this also made some people think about being cautious ...hopefully@Eequinox whatever the outcome of this is, it was never a beef between you and I. So if you going to be at the meet next week, we can still have a coffee and a vape together
@Ohmen please don't speculate. You have no idea what went down and as much as everyone loves action and aggravation from time to time we are not about to be drawn into this cesspool. But one thing you can be sure of is that the Vendors interests were of top most priority at all times. End of story.
Just Googled "eft problems absa Hellopeter". Page of similar complaints came up so maybe he isn't the 1st or only one, just the only vaper that paid by EFT to our vendors.
Anyway don't care to hear outbursts and opinions, just wanted to know the facts of the outcome of the last point in the original thread where 1 of the vendors was going to verify the ABSA response. That should have confirmed without a doubt if he was a scammer or not.
If he did scam, then he got what he deserved (hopefully karma will do a good job) and at least the AFFECTED vendors got paid from what I read. If not, well I am so very disappointed at some of the things I read
Anyway don't care to hear outbursts and opinions, just wanted to know the facts of the outcome of the last point in the original thread where 1 of the vendors was going to verify the ABSA response. That should have confirmed without a doubt if he was a scammer or not.
If he did scam, then he got what he deserved (hopefully karma will do a good job) and at least the AFFECTED vendors got paid from what I read. If not, well I am so very disappointed at some of the things I read
Now that's a much better response @Rob Fisher. You right I have no idea what went down but your response earlier was "Same story as @Marzuq. I wasn't affected."
Any way I am not here to fight with you.
All I want to know is whether that man's story checks out.
Only those Vendors directly affected can give you the facts. Anyone else telling the story would just be hearsay. My guess is that the Vendors have had a guts full of this and there is no doubt that they are a lot wiser and it's unlikely they will be caught in the same situation. I also guess is the chap involved will find it quite difficult to buy online again.
My response was probably misinterpreted...
@Marzuq said this "Thanks for the tag bud. The only ones who are able to shed some light on this matter is the ones that were affected. Hopefully they have all been sorted out with payment of outstanding balances. Lets wait on the vendors to respond to this thread and take it from there."
And my response was short and if I wasn't rushing out and had time to sit and type out a longer response it would have said "I feel the same as Marzuq and as I wasn't affected I can't give you any real info on what went down other than what people told me".
i personally prefer a baseball batNeither is it pitchforks and torches my man
looks like I missed out on some big shit~
Heres my 2c on this topic.
If you buy goods online, your goods will not be sent off until payment has cleared on the vendors end. This is fair. Some of us may have built a trust relationship with vendors and im sure they will accommodate where they see fit.
I dont think this is an unfair solution and to be honest i actually promote the idea that vendors should protect themselves by confirming proof of payment and clearing of funds before dispatching goods.
I want to hear clear communication from the mods they need one of them to take on the role of spokesperson so when people are asking questions they can answer or quash it.
Not having this symbolic figure opens them up to pincer attacks and they get flanked.
I would have liked to have seen this situation handled a bit better. Decisions have to be communicated to the members so mods aren't putting out brush fires instead the mod team could have come out and said "these are our reasons for the current course of action....., we will update you as the situation develops".
To the mods: We want to know that we can trust you this is a new forum that has just started to pick up but it will need a strict hand on disciplining societal wraiths.
Something I'm not sure about is the decision not to ban this particular user the argument that he is easier to keep tabs on is neither here nor there all he needs to do is decide to go pro so to say and he will figure out how to evade multiple account detection or at least prolong the con until he is caught out. He will just setup a new identity and we are back to square one.
I know this guy is young and his brain hasn't fully settled yet so he might grow out of this behaviour or he might not BUT I do not like rubbing shoulders with this user and don't think it fair he is allowed the freedom of movement he has on the forum.
Not having this symbolic figure opens them up to pincer attacks and they get flanked.
I would have liked to have seen this situation handled a bit better. Decisions have to be communicated to the members so mods aren't putting out brush fires instead the mod team could have come out and said "these are our reasons for the current course of action....., we will update you as the situation develops".
To the mods: We want to know that we can trust you this is a new forum that has just started to pick up but it will need a strict hand on disciplining societal wraiths.
Something I'm not sure about is the decision not to ban this particular user the argument that he is easier to keep tabs on is neither here nor there all he needs to do is decide to go pro so to say and he will figure out how to evade multiple account detection or at least prolong the con until he is caught out. He will just setup a new identity and we are back to square one.
I know this guy is young and his brain hasn't fully settled yet so he might grow out of this behaviour or he might not BUT I do not like rubbing shoulders with this user and don't think it fair he is allowed the freedom of movement he has on the forum.
@Sprint thank you for expressing your concerns and views. This specific case involves the vendors directly and as such they are/have dealt with it. The choice is up to them whether or not they want to provide feedback about the resolution. On the topic of stricter discipline. Im for that but it does create a concern. If we become stricter i believe in my opinion it needs to be overall and not just toward a single case. This however may not sit well with many. These are just my personal views but i will bring it up with the Admins and Mods.
It is unfortunate that amongst a great group of people there will always be one or two sour apples.so always be cautious when doing business with anyone. even your best mate. We also need to realise that before we persecute an individual we need to have all the facts. There might have been a legitimate issue with his banking account or he might have likely been a scammer. Until you have proof to show either you cannot take action. that is just good morals.
please note i do not speak for the admins and mods here but i do speak for myself and express my own views.
Hi @Sprint
Thanks for your post and for your concern.
Just to let all members know. We are a good team of Admins and Mods. We have the forum's best interests at heart. That includes members and the vendors.
I can assure you that on this matter we have put in a fair amount of effort behind the scenes considering it and the way forward.
With regard to the impact of this on the general members of the community, here is my advice:
- When you deal with other members in the Classifieds, please exercise caution. We have said it a few times before. Anyone can join this forum and anyone can start selling gear on the Classifieds. Try deal with members that have an established record. Also, if you are unsure about something, feel free to check with other longer-standing members or members of the Admin & Mod team.
If you have any further issues on this matter, you are more than welcome to send me a PM and we can arrange a chat over the phone. Alternatively, please come say hi at the upcoming vape meet on Sat 28 Nov if you can make it. Am more than happy to chat to you further with the team over a coffee and a vape
My response was probably misinterpreted...
@Marzuq said this "Thanks for the tag bud. The only ones who are able to shed some light on this matter is the ones that were affected. Hopefully they have all been sorted out with payment of outstanding balances. Lets wait on the vendors to respond to this thread and take it from there."
And my response was short and if I wasn't rushing out and had time to sit and type out a longer response it would have said "I feel the same as Marzuq and as I wasn't affected I can't give you any real info on what went down other than what people told me".
Thank you for the clarification @Rob Fisher
I agree with the above @Sprint just didn't want to say anything.
In this kind of situation (possible scammer) it would be great if the rest of the forum members would also be informed on what's going on. I know you guys said that there's a lot of hearsay and a lot happening behind the scenes and that only the vendors can provide the truth but someone needs to take that role of public protector. Even if you just tell us "Hey guys, there's no news yet but will keep everyone updated." That would definitely eliminate all the speculation.
I haven't been around for long but I've really enjoyed it here thus far. It's a great community and I have met a lot of great people and I'm sure it won't end now.
@Silver I wish there was a meet in Cape Town because JHB is far
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1. An awareness of a situation has been created. What we should take from this is to exercise caution when doing business of any kind. Do not send goods off whether bought in classifieds or online vendor without confirming monies is in your account.
2. Second, be patient with vendors and classified sellers when waiting to receive goods as they too need to confirm that funds if paid electronically has been cleared.
3. you are aware of a possible scammer. what you do with that info is up to you.
the lesson learned from this is way more important than knowing what really happened.
@Ohmen i think that the previous threads and this one has done exactly what you ask.Thank you for the clarification @Rob Fisher
I agree with the above @Sprint just didn't want to say anything.
In this kind of situation (possible scammer) it would be great if the rest of the forum members would also be informed on what's going on. I know you guys said that there's a lot of hearsay and a lot happening behind the scenes and that only the vendors can provide the truth but someone needs to take that role of public protector. Even if you just tell us "Hey guys, there's no news yet but will keep everyone updated." That would definitely eliminate all the speculation.
I haven't been around for long but I've really enjoyed it here thus far. It's a great community and I have met a lot of great people and I'm sure it won't end now.
@Silver I wish there was a meet in Cape Town because JHB is far
1. An awareness of a situation has been created. What we should take from this is to exercise caution when doing business of any kind. Do not send goods off whether bought in classifieds or online vendor without confirming monies is in your account.
2. Second, be patient with vendors and classified sellers when waiting to receive goods as they too need to confirm that funds if paid electronically has been cleared.
3. you are aware of a possible scammer. what you do with that info is up to you.
the lesson learned from this is way more important than knowing what really happened.
Thank you for the clarification @Rob Fisher
I agree with the above @Sprint just didn't want to say anything.
In this kind of situation (possible scammer) it would be great if the rest of the forum members would also be informed on what's going on. I know you guys said that there's a lot of hearsay and a lot happening behind the scenes and that only the vendors can provide the truth but someone needs to take that role of public protector. Even if you just tell us "Hey guys, there's no news yet but will keep everyone updated." That would definitely eliminate all the speculation.
I haven't been around for long but I've really enjoyed it here thus far. It's a great community and I have met a lot of great people and I'm sure it won't end now.
@Silver I wish there was a meet in Cape Town because JHB is far
Hi @Ohmen
Thanks for the reply. I will say it to you again. Exercise caution when dealing in the Classifieds. There are always going to be people who trade in strange ways. I think the discussions that have occurred on this matter have been a good thing because it has hopefully alerted people to this type of thing. The big issue here is not whether you can or can't deal with one particular member, it's that this type of thing can and does happen from time to time. And it can happen to any of us.
We are discussing ways to help combat this type of thing - that are fair and effective. But will let you know if and when we can implement something.
Just in case you missed it, there is a meet taking place in CT on 12 Dec. It's not a big one with vendors etc but I like the venue and wish I was there
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/cape-town-meet-cbc-brewery-12-december.t16861/
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