I’m unpacking winter clothes again, Hell is going to freeze over? First time I’ve seen demand and harm reduction used in the same article
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I’m unpacking winter clothes again, Hell is going to freeze over? First time I’ve seen demand and harm reduction used in the same article
Thanks @Hooked
When smoking first started - I would imagine it took many years for scientists and doctors to discover that it's causing cancer. So even though vaping has been around for say 10 years and more mainstream the last 5 years or so - it might still take some time to discover what the impact of inhaling these food grade flavourings is. .
[/QUOTE]@Silver I often think about this and it would be interesting to conduct a survey of everyone who has been vaping for 5 years or longer, asking them to state which medical issues they've had in the past 5 years. Of course it doesn't mean that those medical issues were caused by vaping, but one might just discover a common denominator.
Im actually at a point now where the love of vaping has diminished as a result of the continued harassment. Im actually thinking about quitting. im sick and tired of explaining to every tom **** and harry
Even my older brother stopped vaping and went back to smokes just because of the false information distributed by the media and the US
No ill never go back to stinkies. I was in ICU with a collapsed lung 8 years ago from smoking@SmokeyJoe Going back to stinkies is exactly what Big Tobacco wants you to do! Don't give them that pleasure!
As long as everyone refuses the narrative then everything is fineSince joining this forum years ago, I made it my mission to try and spread the positive news that vaping saves lives, and is the biggest boon to public health ever.
But no matter what factual evidence is put forth in various white papers, and no matter how many health experts vocally support vaping. The lame stream media and corrupt politicians/NGO's continue to spread outright lies and false information.
We will never win this battle as long as the media controls the narrative. The majority of people today are sheep that blindly put their trust in the "News Peddlers" of today.
So try to forget about vaping for a second and think about all the other things we are fed by the media on a daily basis. Then have a look at your own bias toward that topic, and think about the fact that you have probably been misled and outright lied to by the very people you have trusted to bring the truth.
We truly live in a matrix, and most people given the choice, will happily refuse to take the red pill. from wikipedia(The red pill, together with its opposite, the blue pill, is a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing a choice between the "red pill", representing a life of harsh knowledge, desperate freedom, and the brutal truths of reality, and the "blue pill", representing a life of luxurious security, tranquil happiness, and the blissful ignorance of the harsh realities of life, basking in an (essentially dishonest) illusion
As long as everyone refuses the narrative then everything is fine
I have a saying and you may quote me on this in the future, nothing fcks up an argument like a few good facts
How many teenagers or people that never smoked, will start vaping if there is only tobacco flavours?
The vaping community should decide if they want to be a lifestyle or a means to quit smoking.
Since joining this forum years ago, I made it my mission to try and spread the positive news that vaping saves lives, and is the biggest boon to public health ever.
But no matter what factual evidence is put forth in various white papers, and no matter how many health experts vocally support vaping. The lame stream media and corrupt politicians/NGO's continue to spread outright lies and false information.
We will never win this battle as long as the media controls the narrative. The majority of people today are sheep that blindly put their trust in the "News Peddlers" of today.
So try to forget about vaping for a second and think about all the other things we are fed by the media on a daily basis. Then have a look at your own bias toward that topic, and think about the fact that you have probably been misled and outright lied to by the very people you have trusted to bring the truth.
We truly live in a matrix, and most people given the choice, will happily refuse to take the red pill. from wikipedia(The red pill, together with its opposite, the blue pill, is a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing a choice between the "red pill", representing a life of harsh knowledge, desperate freedom, and the brutal truths of reality, and the "blue pill", representing a life of luxurious security, tranquil happiness, and the blissful ignorance of the harsh realities of life, basking in an (essentially dishonest) illusion
If they decide that they are a lifestyle, fashion hobby etc, then they must take whatever the governments, anti vaping community etc throw at them.
Because when I smoked I did not care for tax on cigarettes or warning labels on my packets, because I know its not healthy and that it will put a strain on the country's health bill.Why???
Because when I smoked I did not care for tax on cigarettes or warning labels on my packets, because I know its not healthy and that it will put a strain on the country's health bill.
Because we all know sugar is not healthy, thus we dont complain, or have no case if there is sugar tax.
Because I know the strain alcohol abuse put on the socioeconomic and medical system om a country I dont have a case or complain about sin tax on it.
Surely we should see their agenda with flavour ban has some merit? How many teenagers or people that never smoked, will start vaping if there is only tobacco flavours?
Agree. But teenagers will start something, so let it rather be vaping than anything else.
How many poeple will keep on vaping for more than a year or two if there is only tobacco flavours? Does vaping not claim to be a way to stop smoking? With nic patches etc you dont continue using it for years?
I used nic gum (Nicorette) for about 3 years!! If someone has an addictive personality they will always use something and, as I said above, let it rather ve vaping than anything else.
You cant have your bread butter on both sides. The vaping community should decide if they want to be a lifestyle or a means to quit smoking.
Why should they make that decision? Most people start vaping to quit smoking and yes, for many it does become a lifestyle. So??
Surely each individual should have the freedom to choose their own hobbies?
If they decide that they are a lifestyle, fashion hobby etc, then they must take whatever the governments, anti vaping community etc throw at them.
That only explains your personal acceptance (and/or activism in favor) of the existing tax system.
It does not in the slightest explain your previous statement:
"If they decide that they are a lifestyle, fashion hobby etc, then they must take whatever the governments, anti vaping community etc throw at them."
That statement is wrong on so many levels, that it makes me question the true motivation behind it.
I think as vapers we should be very carefull and not just follow and repeat the cries from vaping vendors and people making a living out of vaping.