The twisp hate? Is it real or are we sheep?

[Casper]

Never had twisp. Used a Green Smoke Cig-a-like for about a month between the smoking. This caused me to smoke about half as much as normal, but I wanted to quit completely.

Then @Alex (whom I've known since 2007) suggested the Nemesis mod and the Kayfun Lite at Vape King. Bought those, started building coils immediately (with the help of Alex and Youtube) and it's been pretty much downhill (without brakes) from there. So I guess this makes @Alex my vape guru

I cannot comment on Twisp as I've never tried it. I just go on what other people are saying about it.

@zadiac I also had the Green smoke stuff. LOVED the menthol and the Red Label American. But JOH!! The filters are wildly priced hey!!!

Still like to suck on it now and then though

 

[Modulas]

I woke up one Sunday morning and decided that I'm going to kick the cig habit.

Did some hasty research on the Internet and drove to the nearest shopping mall in search of a Twisp stall. Got there and the guy behind the Twisp counter couldn't even answer my (very basic noob) questions regarding the resistance of their coils or PG/VG content of their juices.
Put me off them right then and there.

I walked to the tobacco shop down the passage (where the lady knew absolutely everything about all the products they stock) and ended up getting a much better sub ohm starter kit.

So Twisp did get me off cigarettes, but not directly..

 

[Ettiene]

TWISP!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE DONT GET ME STARTED
ON TWISP......

 

[Ravynheart]

I have a very, very personal vendetta against Twisp. My best friend who passed away last year, worked for Twisp for nearly a year. They treat their employees like crap. Their employment ethics are horrific. They robbed him of his hard earned commission. Twisp employees originally got their two bottles of liquid for free. Then, suddenly they had to pay for those two bottles with a 20% discount. They set unreasonable targets. Most kiosks didn't make target last year so no Christmas bonus. They are unethical sharks with overpriced products that don't perform as promised, shoving people back to cigarettes. As far as I'm concerned, Twisp does more damage as good, giving people a horrible impression on vaping because they are using backwards technology and selling it as the mod that came out last week. They lie to customers, telling them that if they put any other juice in their devices, it will mess up the coils. Which is absolutely false.
We are not the sheep. Twisp is making their own little sheep, hiding the bigger picture away from their customers. Twisp users only know a drop in the bucket. I kicked myself hard for not finding out about the world beyond Twisp sooner.

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

All of us big drippers, reos, RTA and rdta owners look at twisp vapers like they are stupid snobs... But why? Are we following the herd like sheep?
What do you personally have against twisp?
Myself? About 2years ago I bought a full twisp setup, I battled on it for a month and was back on cigs. It just didn't help me personally and so I'm biased against twisp.
What's your story?

High prices with low performance,

For example: they have versions of the same device, one has maybe wattage control, that's it - Then another has airflow control - that's it - lol -
Then,,, one is thinner than the other -- lol clap hands- -

I had two of the originals, and liquid used to love exiting the container when you were attempting to actually smoke it - lying down - it would run into your mouth - The twisp liquids are also not great for the price you pay- it's either 18mg or 0 - there are no in-betweens -

My hate is all with reason - when you compare - Twisp - a standalone company - Seperate from the real world of Vaping -

Vaping on the other hands; you have drippers, you have tanks, you have RDTA's - you have tanks with multiple airflow sources, rebuildable coils - that don't cost you R50 a shot -
Then...
With mods =- Mods -- are amazing - a screen on your mod? lol . Innovative - far beyond Twisp - It can tell you your resistance [ohms] how many watts your batteries are consuming per drag,/pull/ - Shows your actual battery life - not just a sudden death kind of vape -

hmmm... there are many more - but these general points are what come to mind - I ditched twisp in the same month I bought them because I found Vape MOB - but then came many more adventures after knowing the word: Vaping: which is not something Twisp supports - Twisp supports Twisp. The dictionary doesn't even like the word.

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

I have a very, very personal vendetta against Twisp. My best friend who passed away last year, worked for Twisp for nearly a year. They treat their employees like crap. Their employment ethics are horrific. They robbed him of his hard earned commission. Twisp employees originally got their two bottles of liquid for free. Then, suddenly they had to pay for those two bottles with a 20% discount. They set unreasonable targets. Most kiosks didn't make target last year so no Christmas bonus. They are unethical sharks with overpriced products that don't perform as promised, shoving people back to cigarettes. As far as I'm concerned, Twisp does more damage as good, giving people a horrible impression on vaping because they are using backwards technology and selling it as the mod that came out last week. They lie to customers, telling them that if they put any other juice in their devices, it will mess up the coils. Which is absolutely false.
We are not the sheep. Twisp is making their own little sheep, hiding the bigger picture away from their customers. Twisp users only know a drop in the bucket. I kicked myself hard for not finding out about the world beyond Twisp sooner.

Don't kick yourself at all,, twisp wanted our relationship with them to be exclusive with that little member card

I also despise the way they treated their own staff.

All you said was true ---> when they accept the whole world of vaping - then they can be better.

 

[Boktiet]

I also started with the old cigalike twisps and hated it. Then in Jan this year I also did the Edge restart and then started researching vaping more. I still use my twisp now and again as I still have some liquid left but it keeps reminding me why I bought better sub ohm mods and tanks and the myriad of juices that making vaping that much more enjoyable than stinkies. Never had bad service from twisp but their devices are just not up to par anymore. I am happy that they were my gateway to vaping but will not go back.

I use a AIO during the day and am now starting to venture into DIY juice and RDA/RTA. I will most probably spend most of my time and hard earned money on more mods and the rest. That first kit is just never enough.

Thanks for all the advise on the forum and the great community that goes with it. Vape on...

 

[Cespian]

High prices with low performance,

For example: they have versions of the same device, one has maybe wattage control, that's it - Then another has airflow control - that's it - lol -
Then,,, one is thinner than the other -- lol clap hands- -

I had two of the originals, and liquid used to love exiting the container when you were attempting to actually smoke it - lying down - it would run into your mouth - The twisp liquids are also not great for the price you pay- it's either 18mg or 0 - there are no in-betweens -

My hate is all with reason - when you compare - Twisp - a standalone company - Seperate from the real world of Vaping -

Vaping on the other hands; you have drippers, you have tanks, you have RDTA's - you have tanks with multiple airflow sources, rebuildable coils - that don't cost you R50 a shot -
Then...
With mods =- Mods -- are amazing - a screen on your mod? lol . Innovative - far beyond Twisp - It can tell you your resistance [ohms] how many watts your batteries are consuming per drag,/pull/ - Shows your actual battery life - not just a sudden death kind of vape -

hmmm... there are many more - but these general points are what come to mind - I ditched twisp in the same month I bought them because I found Vape MOB - but then came many more adventures after knowing the word: Vaping: which is not something Twisp supports - Twisp supports Twisp. The dictionary doesn't even like the word.

IMO its a bit unfair to compare Twisp to likes of VapeMob/SirVape/VapeCartel etc. Twisp is a brand, and they sell their brand exclusively. VapeMob sells an array of brands. Consider SMOK having their own exclusive kiosks around the country... it would result in a similar situation, where they would have 1 or 2 great products and the rest being shit, and try to maintain their customer base. Thats natural order of business. Yeah sure, Twisp sells rebranded devices, but they made it exclusive and for that type of device, its not that bad. Compare apples with apples and you will find that they dont suck as much. We cannot compare a Twisp Aero kit to a Kanger Subox kit for the same reasons we cannot compare a Vuka 50cc scooter to a Toyota Corolla. You want a discreet city sprinter, go for the vuka, you want a sustainable all rounder, you go for the Corolla. Also, bashing their catchy phrase "twisping" is catchy as hell. Similar to "Googling" replacing the phrase "Web search engine". Took years for the dictionary to recognise "Googling as a word". You want silly, consider that bootylicious or some crap like that was added to the dictionary not too long ago because of beyonce.

Their juices are not bad either, considering that they market their products to get people off cigs, 18mg juices are perfect for that and they do not taste like VapeMobs soap liquids.

Compare apples with apples.

 

[ddk1979]

I bought a Twisp in Jan 2015 after my Cardiologist/Pulmonologist told me that my lungs weren't looking so good. He specifically recommended the Twisp as an alternative to smoking, so I bought it because the doctor said so. I tried it on and off for about 3 weeks, then put it down and didn't touch it again until after visiting the same doctor this year who told me:
1. Your lung function is down to 47%
2. If you continue smoking (40/day) you'll be dead REAL SOON

This happened on 14 March 2016. I went home in a bit of shock and took the Twisp out, placed it on my desk next to my cigarettes, lit up another Rothmans and just looked at it. I had a pack and a half of smokes left and decided those would be the last I bought, but I was going to enjoy the hell out of those last 30 cigs.
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On the morning of 15 march 2016 I woke up to find my last 2 cigs in the box. I smoked them real slow, savoring every puff. Then I picked up the Twisp, cleaned it, and haven't touch a cig since, but I must admit to getting TREMENDOUS urges now and then.

In my case the twisp wasn't the issue/problem because I'm still happily vaping on it now (together with my EVOD and Nautilus mini - thanks again to Mr Anonymous who pif'd me the mini). The real issue was my mindset, determination, and most importantly, the motivation (remember that 47% lung function!!!). I just made up my mind - I want to live!!! It's as simple as that.
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I think a lot of smokers who try out their 1st device may not really want to give up smoking - I know I didn't. At the moment (and hopefully things will change) I can honestly say that I enjoyed smoking much more than vaping, but it's getting easier everyday.
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So don't just blame twisp for people trying it and then going back to smoking, perhaps they are like I was back in Jan 2015. I'm not saying that there aren't issues with their devices, prices, etc., I'm just giving another side of the story.
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Lastly, the other vapers who I have come into contact with DO LOOK DOWN on you if you have a twisp in your hand - just my experience.
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[Blacklung]

The real issue was my mindset, determination, and most importantly, the motivation (remember that 47% lung function!!!). I just made up my mind - I want to live!!! It's as simple as that.
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I think a lot of smokers who try out their 1st device may not really want to give up smoking

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Could not agree more. I think the reason so many people who try to make the switch from stinkies to vaping have not got their Mindset right. The analogy might be like such: You need to travel from point A to point B . You can use Public transport , a Bicycle , Motor bike , Car OR you can also WALK . The important thing is to DECIDE to get from A to B and not stress about the How. My Dad always used to tell us that a "second class ride " was better than a "First class Walk".

I Decided 52 Days ago that i wanted to stop smoking , I walked into a Twisp store and bought an Areo device and 2 bottles of Tobacco juice ; it got me going from point A towards point B ( yes its like walking....). The thing is , i now rebuild the coils on it , am using other juice ( VM4 is soooo lekker ) and Yes, I will upgrade my device when the time is right and I fee lthat its not "working" for me.

As such , I wake up and remind myself that i'm an ex-smoker and give it , I am now a Vapour

 

[ddk1979]

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@Blacklung - congrats on giving it up.
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My juice preferences have changed massively - just loving Hazeworks Scream (a pity its only 6mg), but don't like anything with menthol - the opposite to what most people on the forum enjoy.
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[SAVaper]

Twisp got me started and I am very grateful for that. Yes I paid far too much and moved on within 3 weeks, but without it I may not have stumbled onto vaping.

 

[Alex]

I don't think we should be trash talking the Twisp, because any device that gets people to switch from tobacco to vaping is great. A large part of the success or failure thereafter is down to ones personal commitment to change. Having the latest and greatest hardware does not guarantee you will not move back to cigarettes. Having the correct mindset and determination does.

I have personally never owned a twisp, as I began my journey with a knockoff "Ego" fleamarket special. But every now and then I'll fondly think back to that first experience, and marvel at where I ended up today because of it.

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

IMO its a bit unfair to compare Twisp to likes of VapeMob/SirVape/VapeCartel etc. Twisp is a brand, and they sell their brand exclusively. VapeMob sells an array of brands. Consider SMOK having their own exclusive kiosks around the country... it would result in a similar situation, where they would have 1 or 2 great products and the rest being shit, and try to maintain their customer base. Thats natural order of business. Yeah sure, Twisp sells rebranded devices, but they made it exclusive and for that type of device, its not that bad. Compare apples with apples and you will find that they dont suck as much. We cannot compare a Twisp Aero kit to a Kanger Subox kit for the same reasons we cannot compare a Vuka 50cc scooter to a Toyota Corolla. You want a discreet city sprinter, go for the vuka, you want a sustainable all rounder, you go for the Corolla. Also, bashing their catchy phrase "twisping" is catchy as hell. Similar to "Googling" replacing the phrase "Web search engine". Took years for the dictionary to recognise "Googling as a word". You want silly, consider that bootylicious or some crap like that was added to the dictionary not too long ago because of beyonce.

Their juices are not bad either, considering that they market their products to get people off cigs, 18mg juices are perfect for that and they do not taste like VapeMobs soap liquids.

Compare apples with apples.

Nothing was unfair, twisp is in the world of vaping - if vaping is vaping, then twisp is failing at producing any products that qualify to provide the user's with a quality vape.

Their products that emerged since the first have been better, but it still compares to nothing in the real world.

Apples vape = apples twisp - and twisp apples don't have the same feeling as a real vape.

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

IMO its a bit unfair to compare Twisp to likes of VapeMob/SirVape/VapeCartel etc. Twisp is a brand, and they sell their brand exclusively. VapeMob sells an array of brands. Consider SMOK having their own exclusive kiosks around the country... it would result in a similar situation, where they would have 1 or 2 great products and the rest being shit, and try to maintain their customer base. Thats natural order of business. Yeah sure, Twisp sells rebranded devices, but they made it exclusive and for that type of device, its not that bad. Compare apples with apples and you will find that they dont suck as much. We cannot compare a Twisp Aero kit to a Kanger Subox kit for the same reasons we cannot compare a Vuka 50cc scooter to a Toyota Corolla. You want a discreet city sprinter, go for the vuka, you want a sustainable all rounder, you go for the Corolla. Also, bashing their catchy phrase "twisping" is catchy as hell. Similar to "Googling" replacing the phrase "Web search engine". Took years for the dictionary to recognise "Googling as a word". You want silly, consider that bootylicious or some crap like that was added to the dictionary not too long ago because of beyonce.

Their juices are not bad either, considering that they market their products to get people off cigs, 18mg juices are perfect for that and they do not taste like VapeMobs soap liquids.

Compare apples with apples.

The biggest problem with twisp is the price people are paying for their bad products. That is not justified with their liquid prices, or what they tell you when buying the product.

Let Twisp give a rebuildable device, wait, no, they won't do that, because they want to charge you for a new coil. That marketing scheme is dead to me. along with the company. You cannot exist in a world of vaping doing your own exclusive nonsense, especially if the product is not the spectacular quality you get from better vaping products.

 

[Alex]

The biggest problem with twisp is the price people are paying for their bad products. That is not justified with their liquid prices, or what they tell you when buying the product.

Let Twisp give a rebuildable device, wait, no, they won't do that, because they want to charge you for a new coil. That marketing scheme is dead to me. along with the company. You cannot exist in a world of vaping doing your own exclusive nonsense, especially if the product is not the spectacular quality you get from better vaping products.

You seem to have a passionate hate towards them, which you're certainly entitled to. But not everyone shares your negative experiences. Off the top of my head I can think of 6 people that continue to enjoy using their twisps, and have no desire to change.

Don't lose sight of the bigger picture, more people are vaping instead of smoking because of them. Feel free to disagree with me again if you like. But the facts remain.

 

[Cespian]

Nothing was unfair, twisp is in the world of vaping - if vaping is vaping, then twisp is failing at producing any products that qualify to provide the user's with a quality vape.

Their products that emerged since the first have been better, but it still compares to nothing in the real world.

Apples vape = apples twisp - and twisp apples don't have the same feeling as a real vape.

Ok bud. Sure.

Hey everyone... my avo22 and SMPL is so kak. Omg, worse devices ever. The Reos are so much better and last so much longer... why is SMPL so shit guys. Or why cant it perform like the RX200??? Why is it leaking... my Griffin doesnt leak as much. Dont ever buy an Avo or SMPL!!!

Catch my drift. You have fun comparing an absolute entry level pen style device with dual battery mods. Because vape apples hey. Like transport apples... trains and cars... planes and motorbikes... yes, great stuff.

Anyways... opinions are opinions.

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

You seem to have a passionate hate towards them, which you're certainly entitled to. But not everyone shares your negative experiences. Off the top of my head I can think of 6 people that continue to enjoy using their twisps, and have no desire to change.

Don't lose sight of the bigger picture, more people are vaping instead of smoking because of them. Feel free to disagree with me again if you like. But the facts remain.

Okay, yes, for the goal to get people off the stinkies, it's an alternative, but I know that the price i paid, would get me quality vape gear, with change for some really good juices, that include some VG

For all wanting to invest in this business, I will just tell them the word Vape _and let them investigate a lot further.

That is my goal, for people to investigate a little bit further than all the hearsay and find shops that house all sorts of vape gear, nothing exclusive -- Exclusivity is for niche markets. Vaping should be for the entire world.

P.s. I've gotten non-smokers addicted to vaping with non-twisp products beat that

 

[Cespian]

Okay, yes, for the goal to get people off the stinkies, it's an alternative, but I know that the price i paid, would get me quality vape gear, with change for some really good juices, that include some VG

For all wanting to invest in this business, I will just tell them the word Vape _and let them investigate a lot further.

That is my goal, for people to investigate a little bit further than all the hearsay and find shops that house all sorts of vape gear, nothing exclusive -- Exclusivity is for niche markets. Vaping should be for the entire world.

P.s. I've gotten non-smokers addicted to vaping with non-twisp products beat that

Nobody but twelve year olds will try to "beat that". I have a friend who's vaping for the first time on my Sigelei 150w and Griffin. You are missing the point. And the point was bashing Twisp and calling them out for what they are not. They have a role in vaping and fit into a class (i think its safe to say that there are classes within the vape world). Same way Reo does with their squonk mods, or twisted messes does with their huge ass build decks. They played such an important role for vaping in SA. They are expensive because of their excellent marketing and I am willing to put money on the fact that if it was not for them, vaping would have taken off much slower in SA.

 

[korn1]

Well according to other people I am still using a twisp when using my kangertech. Twisp got me off stinkies and really were the only ones I knew who sold e cigs . I don't mind 'twispers'.

 

[kelly22]

Definitely a gatewat to vaping so we shouldnt be against it if its a gateway to something as positive as personal vaporizers

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[KimVapeDashian]

Okay, yes, for the goal to get people off the stinkies, it's an alternative, but I know that the price i paid, would get me quality vape gear, with change for some really good juices, that include some VG

For all wanting to invest in this business, I will just tell them the word Vape _and let them investigate a lot further.

That is my goal, for people to investigate a little bit further than all the hearsay and find shops that house all sorts of vape gear, nothing exclusive -- Exclusivity is for niche markets. Vaping should be for the entire world.

P.s. I've gotten non-smokers addicted to vaping with non-twisp products beat that

"I've gotten non-smokers addicted to vaping with non-twisp products beat that "

Dude, if you honestly encourage non-smokers to get into vaping then you are a selfish person. Like, honestly your closing comment made me annoyed - cant beat your ignorance. You hate the twisp business model, because its successful. Stop getting "non" smokers into vaping... Just leave them to be healthy - don't drag them down, because of your addiction. /RANT

 

[Darryn Du Plessis]

"I've gotten non-smokers addicted to vaping with non-twisp products beat that "

Dude, if you honestly encourage non-smokers to get into vaping then you are a selfish person. Like, honestly your closing comment made me annoyed - cant beat your ignorance. You hate the twisp business model, because its successful. Stop getting "non" smokers into vaping... Just leave them to be healthy - don't drag them down, because of your addiction. /RANT

Rant more =- It's everyone's free choice, you want to go against their own will to try something new which is better than actual SMOKING?

Vaping is vaping = and vaping will always be better than smoking, so stop telling me that I cannot give my friends what they ask for.

What kind of friend are you to tell your friends they can't vape./

Your name is ignorant.

 

[Jono90]

my opinion on twisp is I think its great from the fact that is very widespread and gets the vaping movement out there and thats what we need.
i was super impressed by their tv advert. it really helps getting the message to smokers and seeing as we may have new stigmatizing rules to affect smokers even more. I think twisp is exactly what we need, An alternative to turn to and then people can explore and buy better gear.
I kinda look at it like twisp is like the mcdonalds of the vape scene and the higher powered gear is like a fine dining bistro.

 

[KimVapeDashian]

Rant more =- It's everyone's free choice, you want to go against their own will to try something new which is better than actual SMOKING?

Vaping is vaping = and vaping will always be better than smoking, so stop telling me that I cannot give my friends what they ask for.

What kind of friend are you to tell your friends they can't vape./

Your name is ignorant.

"vaping will always be better than smoking" - Has there been 50 years of vaping evidence, at least to determine the real long term effects? Or are you following what every vape buddy keeps shoving down your mouth? Sure, for now it is better than smoking (for me), but please don't let your ignorance lend you towards the opinion that you have seen the future...

If vaping is indeed better than smoking, you do acknowledge that not vaping or not smoking is the best (you said better than, so you have already accepted this opinion) - I'm a pretty good friend, and don't encourage "clean" friends to get into vaping... Nicotine or not, the air we breathe, is the healthier/smarter choice.

I got into vaping to quit smoking, and that worked fantastically - but I would be a lot happier if I had not started smoking because then I wouldn't vape... Not this cloud chucking, trickster hipster HYPE.

Like honestly, a bowl of F*cking fruitloops tastes like exactly what fruitloops taste like.