Will Vaping Be Banned?

[grouter]

https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/new...-harmful-6a415e0a-148c-4e7a-a924-238a5dd1843e

I like the quote at the end of the article, which is the reason I'm linking it and also, I think, a reason why vaping is under threat:

“I’ve observed that there are four groups of addicts in relation to the tobacco industry: the government is addicted to the taxes, the industry is addicted to profit, the smokers are addicted to nicotine and the health-care professionals or experts are addicted to forming positions based on opinions rather than science.”

 

[Stranger]

Sho, must be getting famous. I was not even here and I got the blame.

 

[Timwis]

Sho, must be getting famous. I was not even here and I got the blame.

You should have known that starting a thread called "Will Vaping Be Banned" would result in discussions about decapitation and torture methods, you really should of known better!

 

[eVape]

I am reading so much international news on the vaping situation latterly and they all seem to be taking the same view towards vaping. Firstly trying to ban it outright and then when public opinion is against that they introduce stricter laws.

The way we see the laws just being applied here during lockdown with no real thought put into them it does make me worried. I really don't want to have to go back to smoking.

 

[Timwis]

I am reading so much international news on the vaping situation latterly and they all seem to be taking the same view towards vaping. Firstly trying to ban it outright and then when public opinion is against that they introduce stricter laws.

The way we see the laws just being applied here during lockdown with no real thought put into them it does make me worried. I really don't want to have to go back to smoking.

The best thing for those in countries where they are concerned vaping may be banned is stock up on devices and start to do DIY and rebuildables! Even during Prohibition in the states it was never law that people couldn't drink just a ban on Alcohol sales so home brewing became popular and those rich people with large fully stocked wine cellars were fine, in fact they estimate more alcohol was consumed during prohibition than at any other time! Vaping has got too big and has a legitimacy to be stopped, it will just go underground and will always have enough supporters in all walks of life my belief is it will come back stronger than ever!

 

[Munro31]

The best thing for those in countries where they are concerned vaping may be banned is stock up on devices and start to do DIY and rebuildables! Even during Prohibition in the states it was never law that people couldn't drink just a ban on Alcohol sales so home brewing became popular and those rich people with large fully stocked wine cellars were fine, in fact they estimate more alcohol was consumed during prohibition than at any other time! Vaping has got too big and has a legitimacy to be stopped, it will just go underground and will always have enough supporters in all walks of life my belief is it will come back stronger than ever!

I completely agree, in fact we will probably end up with more people vaping if it is banned than we have now

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

We've already had a preview of how it would play out should they go ahead with a ban ... think back to last year and the early days of the lockdown ... "n boer maak a plan"
I can't help wondering if our government learnt anything from it tho'?

 

[Timwis]

We've already had a preview of how it would play out should they go ahead with a ban ... think back to last year and the early days of the lockdown ... "n boer maak a plan"
I can't help wondering if our government learnt anything from it tho'?

Difference is if i recall from what members were saying most things were hard to get hold of, if it was just a vaping specific ban and nothing to do with other restrictions caused by Covid then getting flavourings, PG, VG, nicotine and wire for coils would be much easier because all are items used for other things as well as vaping!

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Difference is if i recall from what members were saying most things were hard to get hold of, if it was just a vaping specific ban and nothing to do with other restrictions caused by Covid then getting flavourings, PG, VG, nicotine and wire for coils would be much easier because all are items used for other things as well as vaping!

Correct ... so all that is is required to close the loop is bootleg nicotine
Time to look into effective extraction methods, or ... a similar method to the way Australia does it, by importing nic from New Zealand.

 

[Timwis]

Correct ... so all that is is required to close the loop is bootleg nicotine
Time to look into effective extraction methods, or ... a similar method to the way Australia does it, by importing nic from New Zealand.

Liquid nicotine is banned in the UK above 20mg and in quantities larger than 10ml as far as vaping is concerned but i still get pharma quality nicotine 72mg 1 litre no problem because liquid nicotine has various uses!

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Liquid nicotine is banned in the UK above 20mg and in quantities larger than 10ml as far as vaping is concerned but i still get pharma quality nicotine 72mg 1 litre no problem because liquid nicotine has various uses!

That's interesting ... It's time to start cozying up to my family members involved in the medical fraternity then

 

[YeOldeOke]

We are starting the plan of coming out of National lockdown number 3 and not because the death rate or infections are low simply because we have ran out of money!

Here's a point to ponder - if the ave covid death age is 80+, how can the rate ever come down? Covid, like any virus, is here to stay. Old age is here to stay, and for some inexplicable reason old people tend to die, always have and always will.

Human stupidity, infinity and all that jazz.

 

[Timwis]

Here's a point to ponder - if the ave covid death age is 80+, how can the rate ever come down? Covid, like any virus, is here to stay. Old age is here to stay, and for some inexplicable reason old people tend to die, always have and always will.

Human stupidity, infinity and all that jazz.

Problem is the average age was never any where near 80 just that 80+ did make up a large percentage and for obvious reasons are more vulnerable along with those with underlying conditions. But as time has gone by and the virus has mutated the average age is getting lower and lower we hear of many deaths every day in the UK of fit healthy people in there prime and even more cruel even children although thank god less often!

 

[YeOldeOke]

Problem is the average age was never any where near 80 just that 80+ did make up a large percentage and for obvious reasons are more vulnerable along with those with underlying conditions. But as time has gone by and the virus has mutated the average age is getting lower and lower we hear of many deaths every day in the UK of fit healthy people in there prime and even more cruel even children although thank god less often!

That is a statement that I haven't seen in facts. And logically it also doesn't make sense. I have lost interest in this covid mania so doubt I will even try to verify it.

'tis late, fun conspiracy theory time.
It has long been a problem that the population is aging, Japan is a prime example but it's a worldwide trend that has long caught the attention of the social engineering types in Davos and other pits o'hell. Too many old people to be supported by the young causing economic stress. Large migrations of younger people into developed countries is but one of the solutions. Why would killing off the old not also help.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

That is a statement that I haven't seen in facts. And logically it also doesn't make sense. I have lost interest in this covid mania so doubt I will even try to verify it.

'tis late, fun conspiracy theory time.
It has long been a problem that the population is aging, Japan is a prime example but it's a worldwide trend that has long caught the attention of the social engineering types in Davos and other pits o'hell. Too many old people to be supported by the young causing economic stress. Large migrations of younger people into developed countries is but one of the solutions. Why would killing off the old not also help.

It's is a seemingly callous statement, however to continue the train of thought; The world is apparently overpopulated at present, and as nature has a way of looking after problems, called homeostasis, maybe this wasn't some mad Chinese scientist playing God, but rather nature taking care of business?

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Problem is the average age was never any where near 80 just that 80+ did make up a large percentage and for obvious reasons are more vulnerable along with those with underlying conditions. But as time has gone by and the virus has mutated the average age is getting lower and lower we hear of many deaths every day in the UK of fit healthy people in there prime and even more cruel even children although thank god less often!

You are correct, the world average for human life expectance was 72.6 years, (in 2017), however fast approaching 80 as can be seen below;

 

[Stranger]

Yes but the age of still being productive to society has also gone up, .... just look at Trump and Biden and of course Zuma

 

[fbb1964]

Interesting opinions from the dude himself..

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Yes but the age of still being productive to society has also gone up, .... just look at Trump and Biden and of course Zuma

I agree with your point, however that's a terrible example, as those three idiots are friggen useless, (and it's not age related!)

 

[Stranger]

Sarcasm is my strong point, other examples are my FIL who worked fitting skylights until he was 72. I have clients that are 75 + and even 80 and still go to work every day.

A recent stat is that guys who retire @ 60 then go onto start sideline businesses the mortality rate improves for these people. Guys who retire at 65 or older the mortality rate declines. You yourself sent me a small challenge, somewhere along the lines of " let's start an SA mod building industry"

I agree, we are at the tipping point for food production and climate change and more importantly consumerism, however this is what drives a capitalist economy, so until the oil and gas runs out we are stuck with it.

Bring on a global benevolent dictator ..... whoop whoop

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Sarcasm is my strong point, other examples are my FIL who worked fitting skylights until he was 72. I have clients that are 75 + and even 80 and still go to work every day.

A recent stat is that guys who retire @ 60 then go onto start sideline businesses the mortality rate improves for these people. Guys who retire at 65 or older the mortality rate declines. You yourself sent me a small challenge, somewhere along the lines of " let's start an SA mod building industry"

I agree, we are at the tipping point for food production and climate change and more importantly consumerism, however this is what drives a capitalist economy, so until the oil and gas runs out we are stuck with it.

Bring on a global benevolent dictator ..... whoop whoop

Thank G_d for your admittal on sarcasm, admittedly I had begun to question your sanity ... I should have guessed you were yanking chains once again

I agree wholeheartedly on the work or die theory ... I have parents in their late 80's that still practice medicine , this after attempting to retire some 65536 times since they turned 60 something, so the die is cast, and I seem to be following fairly closely, making that challenge re. a manufacturing concern real ... Hell, we may as well stimulate our gray matter and have some fun whilst we witness the world expend the last of it's resources, whilst witnessing some pseudo benevolent dictator(s), (aren't all politicians?), attempt to correct the screw-up, and making it far worse.

 

[Stranger]

You and I must get together some time ......... with a cup of tea ..... black.... with honey

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

You and I must get together some time ......... with a cup of tea ..... black.... with honey

I'd love it, only that tea needs to be bran-tea, spelt Cognaq , without honey

 

[Stranger]

I will check with Blck vapour see if they have those.

On the subject of vaping being banned, I have a suspicion that somewhere down the line, soon, we will come under fire. We know the C ANC er love to copy and paste anywhere they see an opportunity for wealth creation. We must be on guard because when it comes, it will be a slap in the face.

 

[CashKat88]

It's so transparent that vaping has a big effect on the pockets of these big wigs otherwise they wouldn't care about our health, if they really that concerned about our health they would be banning ciggies, so much of a fuss for nothing, if they released an indemnity form saying "Yes, we are aware of the effects vaping could have on our health" then I would sign it and be on my way but this is not about health it's about money and its pretty disgusting when you think about it.