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HE v non-HE
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I have tried to stay out of this as best I can because I can see it going sideways at some point....but this is my take on it.
When I started vaping I would purchase at least a mod a month, LE mods, trying different things, different tanks, different vaping styles, looking for "that" one thing that would keep me happy. This was my new hobby, it was fun and the whole "boys and their toys" was playing out big time.
Eventually I got my hands on a Reo and RM2. That was it, everything stopped. I found that I prefer MTL hits and I don't need megawatts to drive half of Iscor steel in my atty. This works for me. Will I purchase some new stuff down the line, for sure I will. I have found my happy place but that's not to say I don't want to play.
Bottom line, buy whatever rocks your boat, be it High End, Low End, clone, authentic, mod, mech, after all it's your money and your journey.
If you buy HE to look down on the Twisp user, I feel sorry for you because you are wasting your money, he is not smoking and quite happy with what he has, and shouldn't feel at all bad about it. You are not smoking but still looking for the next big thing to shove in his face.
I will give you one guess who the winner is in that scenario.
When I started vaping I would purchase at least a mod a month, LE mods, trying different things, different tanks, different vaping styles, looking for "that" one thing that would keep me happy. This was my new hobby, it was fun and the whole "boys and their toys" was playing out big time.
Eventually I got my hands on a Reo and RM2. That was it, everything stopped. I found that I prefer MTL hits and I don't need megawatts to drive half of Iscor steel in my atty. This works for me. Will I purchase some new stuff down the line, for sure I will. I have found my happy place but that's not to say I don't want to play.
Bottom line, buy whatever rocks your boat, be it High End, Low End, clone, authentic, mod, mech, after all it's your money and your journey.
If you buy HE to look down on the Twisp user, I feel sorry for you because you are wasting your money, he is not smoking and quite happy with what he has, and shouldn't feel at all bad about it. You are not smoking but still looking for the next big thing to shove in his face.
I will give you one guess who the winner is in that scenario.
Gosh mate. I think your post began honest and has proper points, especially regarding the fact that one chooses to vape what he or she enjoys vaping. But to insinuate that people spend a pretty penny on HE devices simply to be better than his neighbor is not always the case. For example, I began at analogues switched to digital (twisp) and it was not enough for me.
I did not simply want the healthier replication of the experience of smoking i wanted the feeling of vaping which in my mind is more than just MTL like you would a cigarette. Or at least thats what comes to mind when I hear the word vape. But to each his own.
Furthermore, HE is not there for the better off to trample on LE users. I believe it's there for you to own something unique. Which is what i get from Stabwood boxes as none of them look alike. It's all in the motion of participation in the VapeNation, it's progressive and HE is at the pinnacle of vaping at the moment. And you'll only know what that experience is once you've owned one. If you as a vape participant can't then you'll never know what it is but that doesn't discredit you because you are still part of the vaping society.
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I am sorry if you took that the wrong way @Mando but I did say "IF" you buy a HE device to look down on others etc etc etc.Gosh mate. I think your post began honest and has proper points, especially regarding the fact that one chooses to vape what he or she enjoys vaping. But to insinuate that people spend a pretty penny on HE devices simply to be better than his neighbor is not always the case. For example, I began at analogues switched to digital (twisp) and it was not enough for me.
I did not simply want the healthier replication of the experience of smoking i wanted the feeling of vaping which in my mind is more than just MTL like you would a cigarette. Or at least thats what comes to mind when I hear the word vape. But to each his own.
Furthermore, HE is not there for the better off to trample on LE users. I believe it's there for you to own something unique. Which is what i get from Stabwood boxes as none of them look alike. It's all in the motion of participation in the VapeNation, it's progressive and HE is at the pinnacle of vaping at the moment. And you'll only know what that experience is once you've owned one. If you as a vape participant can't then you'll never know what it is but that doesn't discredit you because you are still part of the vaping society.
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Yes I agree with you, some of those HE devices are lovely and I will probably have one (or two or three) some day.
Actually I do have a Reo, three mind you, and that is HE according to the HE classification.
Hey @SmokeyJoe why the dislike. I can understand a disagree
Reo with a Nuppin is even better
Reo with a Nuppin is even better
Not for MTL @Alex, I am afraid.
Restricted lung hit I agree it is awesome!
That OL16 is a fabulous little thing. You can adjust it to whatever vaping style suites youReo with O16 is even better'er
I just saw that one as well. Oh my word. Out of curiosity at the HE guys... Can you put these devices under insurance?
Yes you can.
On that note, an american guy once claimed 12 insured cuban cigars that were destroyed in 12 separate small controlled fires (he smoked them)
He won the case ('Murica)
But was counter-sued and found guilty on 12 cases of arson.
If this is possible, I'm sure you can insure an HE Mod
hahahahaha made my day
I think in vaping terms it's like a "Halaal" or "Kosher" stamp in food terms. Could be relevant to some people and mean something and other people like me could care less if something is or isn't it, as long I can eat it and it's tasty.
Still rolling with mine as daily drivers years later and I've got and had tons and fancy, latest and greatest gear since then. Heck, I've got 2 of these setups. To me, that is high end (not the "HE" vaping stamp)Reo with a Nuppin is even better
In my opinion the problem came in when it changed from discussing gear in general to separating the discussions into HE and LE. ("HIGH" end and "low" end). Though not initially intended to have this outcome, it is easy to see why labeling / classifying gear as "low end" might make some people feel as if their devices is "lesser / cheaper" in other people’s eyes. The moment you start classifying the similar items into different “classes” you open up a can of worms. Just have a look at the mess we face in our country because people are classified by race / colour and not as Humans / South Africans (among other things).
On top of the above, there are quite a lot of comments made in this forum that, not intended to knock anything down, seems as if they are talking down onto “LE” gear.
Comments like:
“Just think if you work hard for many years … you may be able to afford one.”
(From a HE mod thread. Now this can be seen as “My mod is not worth that much so it must be less of a mod than a HE mod")
“I could have suggested you get a Billet Box and Exocet or a Phantom Mod with Skyline on top and that is still a great option... but there are tons of tanks around but if I didn't have my high end stuff I would still be using a Serpent Mini 25. The SM25 is a CLASSIC!”
(The part in BOLD is the line that might leave the impression that HE is in some way or form better than the LE. Though the comment was not meant to come forth as such AND the comment is subjective to the user of the HE gear and not facts. The good comment on the same LE tank just after that line might not leave the good impression it was meant to, because of the first line)
Note: The user who made these comments in NO WAY meant for these comments to knock LE gear. To the user (who will recognize these comments) - Please don’t take offence I’m simply using these as examples on how other users might misinterpret them. There are lots of comments like these from other users as well.
This in my opinion is where the issues started. Do I have a solution for people feeling lesser because they do not have HE gear? NO. Can we be more considerate with our comments with the above in mind? YES. Rather say why you think a product does not work FOR YOU…don’t go saying something else is better just because of your subjective opinion.
I’m probably going to get a lot of flak for this post. But I feel it is something to point out.
Disclaimer - I do not have any HE gear and I do not feel any lesser because of it, neither should anybody else.
On top of the above, there are quite a lot of comments made in this forum that, not intended to knock anything down, seems as if they are talking down onto “LE” gear.
Comments like:
“Just think if you work hard for many years … you may be able to afford one.”
(From a HE mod thread. Now this can be seen as “My mod is not worth that much so it must be less of a mod than a HE mod")
“I could have suggested you get a Billet Box and Exocet or a Phantom Mod with Skyline on top and that is still a great option... but there are tons of tanks around but if I didn't have my high end stuff I would still be using a Serpent Mini 25. The SM25 is a CLASSIC!”
(The part in BOLD is the line that might leave the impression that HE is in some way or form better than the LE. Though the comment was not meant to come forth as such AND the comment is subjective to the user of the HE gear and not facts. The good comment on the same LE tank just after that line might not leave the good impression it was meant to, because of the first line)
Note: The user who made these comments in NO WAY meant for these comments to knock LE gear. To the user (who will recognize these comments) - Please don’t take offence I’m simply using these as examples on how other users might misinterpret them. There are lots of comments like these from other users as well.
This in my opinion is where the issues started. Do I have a solution for people feeling lesser because they do not have HE gear? NO. Can we be more considerate with our comments with the above in mind? YES. Rather say why you think a product does not work FOR YOU…don’t go saying something else is better just because of your subjective opinion.
I’m probably going to get a lot of flak for this post. But I feel it is something to point out.
Disclaimer - I do not have any HE gear and I do not feel any lesser because of it, neither should anybody else.
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Could we please change the meaning of "LE" from "Low end" to "Less expensive".
There is nothing low end about my RDA's and mods like the Epetite, Therion or Hotcig R150.
Even my Alien and Predator have deserved a special place in my heart.
I am soooooo tired of reading of the mindset adopted by certain members because they allow themselves to feel inferior by HE gear owners ........ damn ...... wake up.
@Mando summed it up nicely.
I rate my gear on how they perform and look for me.
Could we please change the meaning of "LE" from "Low end" to "Less expensive".
There is nothing low end about my RDA's and mods like the Epetite, Therion or Hotcig R150.
Even my Alien and Predator have deserved a special place in my heart.
I am soooooo tired of reading of the mindset adopted by certain members because they allow themselves to feel inferior by HE gear owners ........ damn ...... wake up.
@Mando summed it up nicely.
I rate my gear on how they perform and look for me.
Dont worry @KZOR its more fun being part of the "LE" crew than it is "HE" in any case.
No need for international orders we can go to our local store and pick up our gear and dont have to spend hundreds of rands in shipping.
Being LE is not only cheaper its more hastle free.
I love vaping LE gear. #LEisGREAT
I've had enough low end gear. To me, my minikin v2 is the monkeys nipples. Doesn't get higher end than that with a SM25 dual coil, a Medusa or my azeroth.
Sm25 is a bit higher grade for me though. But I'm working on it.
That's my current definition of high end vaping. For me. YMMV.
Love looking at the fancy wood finishes and stuff though. Would like one someday. If you have one I'm a tad jelly cos of the aesthetics.
I've been in a room full of big fancy rdas on top of fancy shmancy regulated mods while I carried my pico squeeze... Those others were rather envious of me
If someone is going to be an elitist prick they will find a reason: yours is too cheap/expensive, flashy/plain, big/small etc etc.
This HE vs LE is a joke and a non issue and is merely a variation on the pants filling contest. Use what works for you.
Sm25 is a bit higher grade for me though. But I'm working on it.
That's my current definition of high end vaping. For me. YMMV.
Love looking at the fancy wood finishes and stuff though. Would like one someday. If you have one I'm a tad jelly cos of the aesthetics.
I've been in a room full of big fancy rdas on top of fancy shmancy regulated mods while I carried my pico squeeze... Those others were rather envious of me
If someone is going to be an elitist prick they will find a reason: yours is too cheap/expensive, flashy/plain, big/small etc etc.
This HE vs LE is a joke and a non issue and is merely a variation on the pants filling contest. Use what works for you.
I don't mind people saying their HE gear is better because, in many cases, it will be. This is just common sense. If I buy a R100k DLSR digital camera with a bunch of lenses and the latest chipset, of course it's going to be higher quality and take better photos than a R1000 point-and-click cheapie. If I buy the very latest Jaguar, of course it will offer higher performance and a more luxurious ride than a second-hand Opel. If I order a genuine duck down duvet with a genuine brushed satin duvet cover from a fashion house in Paris, of course it's going to be better than a poly duvet and cover set from Sheet Street.
None of these things is in question. What is in question is this: do I need it? If my only need for a camera is to snap hand checks, vape mail and happy clappies at birthday parties, I don't need a R250k pro rig with fifteen lenses and the highest resolution chip on the market. My cell phone camera will suffice.
So, do I need HE vape gear? Simple answer: no. I am satisfying a nicotine addiction, not making a personal style statement. I applied the same to smoking. There is no doubt that a gold Cartier lighter is a much higher quality item than a plastic Bic. Yet I always used a plastic Bic while I was smoking. Its function is to light the tobacco, not to be a personal style statement, so the Bic does the job just fine. Give me decent flavour and a reasonable cloud from my vape gear and I'm happy. For the same reason, I am quite happy to drink Castle or Amstel. I don't need craft beer delivered specially from a little-known brewery in Croatia at R78 a bottle. Yes, the imported craft beer might have that subtle clove note in the background, and have 1.8% more bubbles in the head than Castle does. And there may well be people whose lives would be miserable if they had to do without that clove note and those 1.8% bubbles. But I am not one of them. Castle is fine for me. So is an LE vape. Gryp 'n dop, kap 'n skyf en daar gat ons.
None of these things is in question. What is in question is this: do I need it? If my only need for a camera is to snap hand checks, vape mail and happy clappies at birthday parties, I don't need a R250k pro rig with fifteen lenses and the highest resolution chip on the market. My cell phone camera will suffice.
So, do I need HE vape gear? Simple answer: no. I am satisfying a nicotine addiction, not making a personal style statement. I applied the same to smoking. There is no doubt that a gold Cartier lighter is a much higher quality item than a plastic Bic. Yet I always used a plastic Bic while I was smoking. Its function is to light the tobacco, not to be a personal style statement, so the Bic does the job just fine. Give me decent flavour and a reasonable cloud from my vape gear and I'm happy. For the same reason, I am quite happy to drink Castle or Amstel. I don't need craft beer delivered specially from a little-known brewery in Croatia at R78 a bottle. Yes, the imported craft beer might have that subtle clove note in the background, and have 1.8% more bubbles in the head than Castle does. And there may well be people whose lives would be miserable if they had to do without that clove note and those 1.8% bubbles. But I am not one of them. Castle is fine for me. So is an LE vape. Gryp 'n dop, kap 'n skyf en daar gat ons.
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