Will Vape Shops (including online) be able to trade from 1 May 2020

[Chickenstrip]

If there is a shop willing to take the risk, I am willing to take the risk as well and support them. But we need a vendor to be willing to take the risk. Then the problem is, the rest of them need to be willing to either let those vendors take the risk and serve the community while they don't make any money, or the need to get onboard themselves. You'll probably find that one vendor might not be willing to take the chance and don't want others to make money while they lose out, so they'll end up reporting the vendors that do trade.

You're going to run into this issue... It's not up to the vendors.

They can sell what they have in stock. But when they run out most of them store their products in labs which won't bottle or distribute the nicotine for them. Their suppliers won't replenish stock either.

So sure, many might move the nicotine they've got on hand. But ultimately it will run out and it won't be able to be replenished.

 

[M.Adhir]

You're going to run into this issue... It's not up to the vendors.

They can sell what they have in stock. But when they run out most of them store their products in labs which won't bottle or distribute the nicotine for them. Their suppliers won't replenish stock either.

So sure, many might move the nicotine they've got on hand. But ultimately it will run out and it won't be able to be replenished.

Yep. This is pretty much what is happening at the moment.
Some stores sold out totally before lockdown.
Some got broken into during lockdown.
Some managed to take stock home and are among plans for their known customers.
Some are not willing to break the law (can't blame people but at some point everyone will be in need of money I'm sure).
Some people are just profiting and selling stuff at double price.
But soon the bubble will burst and supply will cease, as most places have stopped manufacturing.

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

You're going to run into this issue... It's not up to the vendors.

They can sell what they have in stock. But when they run out most of them store their products in labs which won't bottle or distribute the nicotine for them. Their suppliers won't replenish stock either.

So sure, many might move the nicotine they've got on hand. But ultimately it will run out and it won't be able to be replenished.

True, but the current stock on hand can help quite a few people to keep for another couple of weeks till we wait out this LD, and they can at least get some form of income to keep them semi-up and running until trade is opened up again. well, me thinks at least....

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

I just hope that we cant go to the beginning of this thread and other lockdown/covid threads and show how people's arguments changed.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

True, but the current stock on hand can help quite a few people to keep for another couple of weeks till we wait out this LD, and they can at least get some form of income to keep them semi-up and running until trade is opened up again. well, me thinks at least....

You are a bit late to the party, most guys have sold their stock out in the first few weeks of lockdown to known customers
Happy vaping

 

[wilanbor]

Maybe the solution will be rebranding:

Tobacco and its evil cousin nicotine are good as a pesticide

“Experimental Investigations into the Insecticidal, Fungicidal, and Bactericidal Properties of Pyrolysis Bio-oil from Tobacco Leaves Using a Fluidized Bed Pilot Plant”



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[Dela Rey Steyn]

I just hope that we cant go to the beginning of this thread and other lockdown/covid threads and show how people's arguments changed.

I still support the initial 21 day lock down fully, it was definitely needed to get the medical sector geared up and more prepared for what is to come. Even the second extension i could understand and appreciated the need thereof. But the Level structure currently in place is too restrictive in most areas and lax in others. The current financial damage being done to our economy will cause a lot more loss of life and quality thereof. My 2c of course, but I just work at a mine/crushing plant in rural Limpopo, i'm not an expert, an economist, a doctor, a minister or the president....

 

[BeaLea]

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news...wed-to-operate-online-during-level-3-48477268


Vaping body wants to be disassociated from tobacco sector and allowed to operate online during Level 3

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news...wed-to-operate-online-during-level-3-48477268


Vaping body wants to be disassociated from tobacco sector and allowed to operate online during Level 3

I like and support the initiative, but unfortunately that article makes Gcoyi sound uneducated about vaping ( pertaining to the safety of DIY liquid and the harmful substances in cigarettes) and in general. A very poorly written article ( or written as such intentionally? )

 

[vicTor]

I like and support the initiative, but unfortunately that article makes Gcoyi sound uneducated about vaping ( pertaining to the safety of DIY liquid and the harmful substances in cigarettes) and in general. A very poorly written article ( or written as such intentionally? )

agree 100%, rather say nothing than that crap they have written

 

[M.Adhir]

I like and support the initiative, but unfortunately that article makes Gcoyi sound uneducated about vaping ( pertaining to the safety of DIY liquid and the harmful substances in cigarettes) and in general. A very poorly written article ( or written as such intentionally? )

No no. Not badly written.
I watched a news clip last week on enca I think.
Vpasa was clear that people 'brewing' juice at home is dangerous.

 

[M.Adhir]

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news...wed-to-operate-online-during-level-3-48477268


Vaping body wants to be disassociated from tobacco sector and allowed to operate online during Level 3

Yeah. What they need to do is take it to court though.
Nothing else stands half a chance.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

I still support the initial 21 day lock down fully, it was definitely needed to get the medical sector geared up and more prepared for what is to come. Even the second extension i could understand and appreciated the need thereof. But the Level structure currently in place is too restrictive in most areas and lax in others. The current financial damage being done to our economy will cause a lot more loss of life and quality thereof. My 2c of course, but I just work at a mine/crushing plant in rural Limpopo, i'm not an expert, an economist, a doctor, a minister or the president....

No no no. You said the lock down is not to stop the spread but to contain it at a speed we can handle, you even said it should have started earlier.
So now we have way more infections and climbing even more, but now you want to end it?

This was in answer to my statement that lock down started way to early and that our economy cant handle it. Lock down started way to early...... fact. Now winter is here, money is finished, lockdown cant continue........like I said in March already

 

[BumbleBee]

Yes but even if you on Ziki's papegaaislaai forum you have to be a bit realistic. Vape shops is insignificant in the SA economy. Most is run from home or premises at the cheapest little out of town locations. Not what you can really call the pinnacle of entrepreneurship. Yes we have places that really worked hard like Vapeking and they will survive, the fly by night(see a gap) may not, but who cares the next fly by night will take their place.

So just as easy it was for vape shops to pop up left right and center, just as easy it will be when everything is open again. Many much bigger and important industries will not survive.

Well ain't that a slap in the face!

So because I'm not Vape King that makes be what, insignificant, a "fly-by-night"? Do you think it was easy for me to open a vape shop? I've been building relationships with my customers for many years, they depend on me... are they insignificant too?

Some of us may just be in it for the money, but some of us also give a shit!

 

[BumbleBee]

No no. Not badly written.
I watched a news clip last week on enca I think.
Vpasa was clear that people 'brewing' juice at home is dangerous.

I got a message from a customer today, she had stocked up before the lockdown but now is starting to run out of juice, her question to me was how to stretch her juice, to make it last longer. She wanted to know if she could bulk it up with vegetable oil.

I explained to her how dangerous that would be and to rather get some glycerin at Checkers or a pharmacy. At least she had the good sense to ask first, how many people in her position won't ask? How many people are vaping vegetable oil right now?!

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Well ain't that a slap in the face!

So because I'm not Vape King that makes be what, insignificant, a "fly-by-night"? Do you think it was easy for me to open a vape shop? I've been building relationships with my customers for many years, they depend on me... are they insignificant too?

Some of us may just be in it for the money, but some of us also give a shit!

Vape king was one example, in which category you place yourself is up to you. Currently millions of South africans are deemed insignificant, me included, so dont cry yourself to death about it

 

[M.Adhir]

I got a message from a customer today, she had stocked up before the lockdown but now is starting to run out of juice, her question to me was how to stretch her juice, to make it last longer. She wanted to know if she could bulk it up with vegetable oil.

I explained to her how dangerous that would be and to rather get some glycerin at Checkers or a pharmacy. At least she had the good sense to ask first, how many people in her position won't ask? How many people are vaping vegetable oil right now?!

That's part of what I'm worried about as well bru.
People are jumping head first into the whole DIY thing. I'm not saying don't try. I'm worried people won't read properly. 100mg nic in the wrong hands (or on one's hands) and mixed wrongly can be very harmful.

Your person probably remembered the word vegetable from vegetable glycerin and though about vegetable oil. Lucky they asked first though. Oil at that heat in the lungs is likely carcinogenic.

Nevermind the small corner shops selling the cloned import brands. That's another potato altogether.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

I got a message from a customer today, she had stocked up before the lockdown but now is starting to run out of juice, her question to me was how to stretch her juice, to make it last longer. She wanted to know if she could bulk it up with vegetable oil.

I explained to her how dangerous that would be and to rather get some glycerin at Checkers or a pharmacy. At least she had the good sense to ask first, how many people in her position won't ask? How many people are vaping vegetable oil right now?!

Yes people are brewing their own alcohol also, few have died already. People are smoking rooibos tea, maybe bokdrolle?
People that have never steal anything are now trying their hand at it to feed their children

 

[Riaz_sh]

i just think vape shops should operate under the radar.. create WhatsApp groups and send out a list of items for sale.. Hardware and juices...
i know its risky but how else can vape shops and vapers last... level 1 could only be reached in 3 months time... we looking at August if we lucky and there is no guarantee that the sale of Tobacco will be sold come level 1...

why should vapers abide by the regulations when the regulations keep changing...
how does a coil or cotton increase my chance of contracting COVID-19
Before the lockdown vape shops were operating with sanitizing at the doors and counters...
not 1 report of COVID-19 that i know off(not that i know alot of people)

how is that different from people going to the bottle store and buying Dop...?

i dont see the logic behind this...

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

No no no. You said the lock down is not to stop the spread but to contain it at a speed we can handle, you even said it should have started earlier.
So now we have way more infections and climbing even more, but now you want to end it?

This was in answer to my statement that lock down started way to early and that our economy cant handle it. Lock down started way to early...... fact. Now winter is here, money is finished, lockdown cant continue........like I said in March already

1. Lockdown is not to stop the spread but to slow it down IE. Flattening the curve. That's true throughout the world. Our Lockdown did help to slow down the initial infection rate and it afforded our health system to get geared up. I don't see your argument there, what I said then and now still rings true.

2. In my post you quoted, I did not call for Lockdown to end, but rather stated that the current levels system is too restrictive in most cases. E-commerce and food delivery could have and should have started a lot earlier to name but a few.

3. Lockdown could have started a month earlier and it would still have been fine, if the government did not limit commerce and banned items outright to a ridiculous degree.

The problem is not the Lockdown, it is the decisions made after the fact that is crippling our economy. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between the two.

 

[ARYANTO]

Maybe the solution will be rebranding:

Tobacco and its evil cousin nicotine are good as a pesticide

“Experimental Investigations into the Insecticidal, Fungicidal, and Bactericidal Properties of Pyrolysis Bio-oil from Tobacco Leaves Using a Fluidized Bed Pilot Plant”



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I have said that 50 posts ago...

 

[Riaz_sh]

I have said that 50 posts ago...

they should call it "Not Zol Juice" And Yes it does Contain Alcohol

 

[M.Adhir]

Maybe the solution will be rebranding:

Tobacco and its evil cousin nicotine are good as a pesticide

“Experimental Investigations into the Insecticidal, Fungicidal, and Bactericidal Properties of Pyrolysis Bio-oil from Tobacco Leaves Using a Fluidized Bed Pilot Plant”



Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

Yeah. We will end up with people trying to vape pesticide they buy from builders. I can just see it happening. Not every tool in the shed be sharp enough sadly.

 

[Adephi]

I got a message from a customer today, she had stocked up before the lockdown but now is starting to run out of juice, her question to me was how to stretch her juice, to make it last longer. She wanted to know if she could bulk it up with vegetable oil.

I explained to her how dangerous that would be and to rather get some glycerin at Checkers or a pharmacy. At least she had the good sense to ask first, how many people in her position won't ask? How many people are vaping vegetable oil right now?!

I did a bit of google research on how to extract nic from various plants at home. And that is some serious chemicals you don't want in your house, especially if you have kids. Let alone the highly concentrated nic you end up with.

And my first thought was what if some guy with no knowledge of chemistry attempt this and end up with numerous chemical burns in hospital. I will rather just wean myself to lower nic until I'm fine with 0mg.

 

[DysectorZA]

So I just want to understand if there are strict rules for ALL online Vape Stores?

Or do they create and make up their own rules of what they can and cannot ship?

One online store I use frequently, will not ship at all now, even when e-commerce was fully opened up.

Another online store will only ship items, only if you include a CBD product.

And another online store is only not shipping nicotine based products.

It seems each online store has got their own criteria that will ship at.

I managed to order cotton, a spool of fused clapton wire, tweezers, a coil cleaning brush, drip tips and replacement bubble glasses from one online store without issues. No CBD required in the order.

So I'm trying to wrap my head around what IS allowed to be sold by an online vape store and what is NOT?

Why can't all vape stores just trade as per normal and sell everything except nicotine based liquid.

Why does selling a pre-built coil or cotton to someone fall under the tobacco act?