Will Vape Shops (including online) be able to trade from 1 May 2020

DysectorZA said:
So I just want to understand if there are strict rules for ALL online Vape Stores?

Or do they create and make up their own rules of what they can and cannot ship?

One online store I use frequently, will not ship at all now, even when e-commerce was fully opened up.

Another online store will only ship items, only if you include a CBD product.

And another online store is only not shipping nicotine based products.

It seems each online store has got their own criteria that will ship at.

I managed to order cotton, a spool of fused clapton wire, tweezers, a coil cleaning brush, drip tips and replacement bubble glasses from one online store without issues. No CBD required in the order.

So I'm trying to wrap my head around what IS allowed to be sold by an online vape store and what is NOT?

Why can't all vape stores just trade as per normal and sell everything except nicotine based liquid.

Why does selling a pre-built coil or cotton to someone fall under the tobacco act?
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Everyone is interpreting it in their own way.
My interpretation is that anything ecig related isn't allowed as the law says 'and related products'..
Some stores won't chance it. Some will.

The whole CBD thing (while it is helping people get access to hardware etc as a result of buying cbd) in my opinion is being used as a loophole of sorts.
25mg or 30mg cbd in 60ml of juice won't have any real benefit. It's practically 0mg juice which is being sold with a little bit of cbd in it (to 'legalize' the sale of the products).

The fact that you can buy a dual battery mod and dual coil rta and just add a 30mg or so cbd to the order to get it dispatched is nonsensical.

Yes it is possibly helping some businesses stay afloat to a certain extent. And it's helping a few vapers get access to some liquid at least. And it's getting smokers( I've seen alot of this happen the past two days) to switch to pod systems (but with no nic Im inclined to think their impression will end up being that vaping didn't do it for them as a replacement, but hey that's because it's low concentration cbd only).
 
DysectorZA said:
So I just want to understand if there are strict rules for ALL online Vape Stores?

Or do they create and make up their own rules of what they can and cannot ship?
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I think it comes down to their back-end and how well they understand it and run it, or, not being a critical business, therefore not being allowed to be onsite to ship. You'll probably find that some stores that can just switch stock (i.e.) to null have done so and are trading as normal. Those that have systems where this is harder to do, probably can't deal with the complexity of being on site during lock-down to sort orders and contacting customers who do order. The whole CBD thing is inexplicable, stock clearance most likely.
 
kolakidd said:
I think it comes down to their back-end and how well they understand it and run it, or, not being a critical business, therefore not being allowed to be onsite to ship. You'll probably find that some stores that can just switch stock (i.e.) to null have done so and are trading as normal. Those that have systems where this is harder to do, probably can't deal with the complexity of being on site during lock-down to sort orders and contacting customers who do order. The whole CBD thing is inexplicable, stock clearance most likely.
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CBD is not a stock clearance thing.
It is being used as a way to deem the package as essential. Most of the stores trading are selling low concentration local cbd juices which they never sold before lockdown started. So the juice has been made to fit the market and status quo.
 
Aren't "essential" items no longer an issue for e-commerce though? It's as if some vape stores are still operating under level 5.

If Takealot can sell everything under the sun except alcohol and tobacco products, then surely online vape stores can sell everything except nicotine products.

Unless I am stupid and not fully understanding any of this, and a coil or a 18650 battery or a mod falls under tobacco products?

Does everything that a vape store sells, online or in-store, fall under tobacco related products? Or is it just the nicotine based juice that falls under tobacco?
 
We can argue till our faces is blue what is legal to sell and what not, i commend the shops trying to stay a float because even big shops like vape king and others going to find it hard to survive 6 months without income, never mind there employes who is not getting paid and struggling to feed their familys or pay rent.

Everything has been decided for us from the dictators in the parlament, the ban will go on till 2021 when ALL lvl's has been taken away.
Think covid was the thing some people prayed for to push their personel agenda and enforce it.

If one just take a sec and think about it, when booz was banned some one will invite you for a braai of just a chat but since you dont have booze it will be a boring visit, now booze is legal again people will start with braai's and long visits so covid will just spread a lot faster, it seems they didn't think that alchol is a social drug.


It's just my 2c

I just wish i could get some nic ;(
 
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Dela Rey Steyn said:
1. Lockdown is not to stop the spread but to slow it down IE. Flattening the curve. That's true throughout the world. Our Lockdown did help to slow down the initial infection rate and it afforded our health system to get geared up. I don't see your argument there, what I said then and now still rings true.

2. In my post you quoted, I did not call for Lockdown to end, but rather stated that the current levels system is too restrictive in most cases. E-commerce and food delivery could have and should have started a lot earlier to name but a few.

3. Lockdown could have started a month earlier and it would still have been fine, if the government did not limit commerce and banned items outright to a ridiculous degree.

The problem is not the Lockdown, it is the decisions made after the fact that is crippling our economy. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between the two.
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1. Did our curve flatten?
More people touch a product during E-commerce in a short period off time than with you taking it yourself off the shelve? So why is it safer? Infection rate has climbed since lockdown and will just continue faster as we open up more, but now the winter is here and we cant keep a tight lockdown anymore. So we just delayed the inevitable? And it winter it will be worst?
2. What is too restrictive? almost everyone can work and move around from level 3. Remember " we must protect the health system" and it is proven that smokers are affected more by the virus, so whats the problem? You have any proof other than " vaping is healthier than smoking" that vaping does not affect/damage your lungs(even at 0% nic). If not then the minister is right to keep it with tobacco off the list, because we must protect the health system?
3. You are only worried about nicotine and only started to care once your juice ran out. I cant recall you complaining about any of this stuff before you posted the pic of your last Taviro going in? Maybe direct me in the right direction.

You want the lockdown, for your needs. Every single person in SA will be the same, yes for lockdown but only if it accommodate their specific needs, and if all are catered for then not even level 0.00001 will be possible.

And no. I was against this lockdown from the start, just showing how people are trying to have their bread buttered on both sides.
 
This thread just goes to show how bored people are during this lockdown. Why are you expending effort to make a point to strangers who will not take your opinion as anything more than just that and forget it by the time their netflix show switches to the next episode. Save your energy for something productive... Like walking to the fridge or stretching for the remote to tell netflix that you're still watching.
 
Chickenstrip said:
This thread just goes to show how bored people are during this lockdown. Why are you expending effort to make a point to strangers who will not take your opinion as anything more than just that and forget it by the time their netflix show switches to the next episode. Save your energy for something productive... Like walking to the fridge or stretching for the remote to tell netflix that you're still watching.
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Agreed, thanks for reminding me, another one chalked up to the ignore function.
 
Cornelius said:
When will Joe soap decide to start selling and if anything comes off it pay said fine and carry on?
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The problem is, paying the fine is one thing, but you can get a criminal record attached with it and most companies out there, if you have a criminal record, it's bye-bye. So risk vs reward comes to mind.

Dela Rey Steyn said:
If there is a shop willing to take the risk, I am willing to take the risk as well and support them.
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I am sure there are many, as was mentioned by a few people on here. Fortunately because I DIY, and because I'm paranoid to a degree, I made up a few litres of juice for both my wife and I just before lockdown happened, so we're safe for a while to come still.

Then I also heard from someone in the industry that some of the TCG vans have been stopped and searched as the cops have been tipped off that e-liquids and nicotine is being couriered, so even those few who did supply may very well stop doing so very soon now if they have not already.

This ban on cigarettes, and then vaping alongside it as the SA government has stupidly combined the two (I know there are people who may disagree with this part of my statement as quite a few have before, pre-lockdown), is very likely to last until the end of the year. In fact, if the government has their way, we will become one of the fist countries in the world to ban smoking all together. Even if we're not the first, there is a country out there that one day is going to ban smoking. But that's just my opinion.
 
Taariq404 said:
How's it,

Does anyone know if eciggies are shipping coils with CBD juice?
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Yup, most are to "keep it legal". You can buy most things on the website like coils, mods, batteries, etc. but you must include a CBD juice for "legal" purposes.

I'm not even sure if my posts are legal any more.

I believe Sir Vape and Vape Cartel are selling without issues.

Vape King seemed to stop for some reason? Anyone know why?
 
DysectorZA said:
Vape King seemed to stop for some reason? Anyone know why?
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Stopped selling in general? Maybe they ran out of CBD juices, not sure. I know when I checked this weekend they only had two flavours left.
 
I see VapeOwave and Vapehyper also stopped selling cbd, coils hardware etc. Think they getting pressure and all will stop soon
 
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