Calling all DIY'ers

[Viper_SA]

I have a quick question for the more experienced diyers here. As far as I know only 3 vensors sell nicotine, PG and VG locally. Valley Vapour,Skyblue and Vapour Mountan. I must admit I am a bit curious as to why there are such big differences in the pricing of these three products between the vendors. Has anyone noticed any one vendor's products to be superior to others?

 

[rogue zombie]

I have a quick question for the more experienced diyers here. As far as I know only 3 vensors sell nicotine, PG and VG locally. Valley Vapour,Skyblue and Vapour Mountan. I must admit I am a bit curious as to why there are such big differences in the pricing of these three products between the vendors. Has anyone noticed any one vendor's products to be superior to others?

Lol, I think Skyblue are just agressive with their general strategy.
Their better-priced Nic, VG and PG is in NO WAY inferior. I suspect they're cheaper just because they choose to be.

 

[WHeunis]

I have a quick question for the more experienced diyers here. As far as I know only 3 vensors sell nicotine, PG and VG locally. Valley Vapour,Skyblue and Vapour Mountan. I must admit I am a bit curious as to why there are such big differences in the pricing of these three products between the vendors. Has anyone noticed any one vendor's products to be superior to others?

There might be slight differences between them - not that we (the end users) would likely be able to detect them.
Things like "Food Grade" and "Pharmaceutical Grade" can make a price difference. That mostly just involves the raw purity of the product, but for the most part, would not be detectable in our types of use.

That said, I have to agree with @r0gue z0mbie : A seller's strategy plays the largest part towards their pricing model.
Some vendors aim for a more "exclusive" client base, selling fewer units at a larger profit margin; While other vendors prefer selling more units for a smaller profit margin.
At the end of the day, both strategies have their pros and cons, and that is where MOST price discrepancies come from.

On top of it all, the quantities bought could give low-margin sellers an even bigger leg-up with larger discounts from distributors and the like, allowing them to push their prices even lower.

There are many factors that at the end of the day make up the "sum of the price".
But as far as Nic, PG and VG goes... the quality differences will be so small that you would have a near-improssible task of telling them apart in a proper blind test.

 

[free3dom]

I have a quick question for the more experienced diyers here. As far as I know only 3 vensors sell nicotine, PG and VG locally. Valley Vapour,Skyblue and Vapour Mountan. I must admit I am a bit curious as to why there are such big differences in the pricing of these three products between the vendors. Has anyone noticed any one vendor's products to be superior to others?

I know for a fact that the Nic sold by SkyBlue is the highest quality available commercially - so it is at least as good as the competition (and perhaps better, depending on their respective quality).

As @r0gue z0mbie said, their prices are that good out of choice, not due to lower quality

I can't speak to the quality that the other vendors sell, but I'm sure they are just as good - and if they charge more/less, then it is most likely just based on their respective business models (how much they can buy and sell, where they buy from, etc)

 

[Viper_SA]

Just wondered about this, since it kinda sucks having to buy from two or more vendors (not all stock all the flavors yet) and then having to pay courier fees multiple times and make sure someone is available to receive the items on different days sometimes. Would be awesome to get everything at the same place, for a good price.

 

[Mike]

@Viper_SA what do VV not carry that you want? Last I checked they had a huge range.

 

[Viper_SA]

@Viper_SA what do VV not carry that you want? Last I checked they had a huge range.

Very true, they do. I have ordered some gems from them, but then I need to order nic somewhere else to cut costs etc, which amounts to another courier etc. Anyway, was just curious as to anyones experience with possible differences in the nic, VG and PG bacause of the price differences. Not aimed negatively at any particular vendor.

 

[Mike]

Very true, they do. I have ordered some gems from them, but then I need to order nic somewhere else to cut costs etc, which amounts to another courier etc. Anyway, was just curious as to anyones experience with possible differences in the nic, VG and PG bacause of the price differences. Not aimed negatively at any particular vendor.

If you want a bigger range, you'll have to pay more. That's how businesses work I'm afraid. If you want to save money buying from different places, you'll have to pay additional courier costs. Sometimes it's better to support a vendor and hope the economies of scale eventually lead to a price drop or a better range.

 

[rogue zombie]

Oh yes don't get me wrong, I mean no offence to any other retailer. Really

I am greateful to Valley Vapour for their range etc. And VM are true legends in the industry here.

 

[Viper_SA]

I don't really agree with that Mike. To me, bigger range = more sales = better turn-over = better prices and more customers etc. etc. It does make one a little curious though when vendor X sells a liter of VG for R300, vendor Y for R245 and vendor Z for R64 That was the onley reason for my original question, but as stated by some, if there is no real difference to be discerned, I guess it's still musical chairs with couriers

 

[Mike]

Sadly businesses don't work that way. Bigger range on a product that has a shelf life of under a year (according to TFA if I remember right) means more waste. If you have a problem paying R300 per liter for VG show the retailers with your wallet. Support the places you agree with. If you want to pay more and have a bigger range, great - the vendor might eventually lower their price of the product (which they're probably making their most profit off of?). If you want to have a limited range but pay less, your support might enable them to increase their range.

 

[free3dom]

@Viper_SA you could always start your own business and offer all of us these great deals you are looking for

The problem with businesses that import stuff from all over the world is that they all operate differently. Therefore there is a difference in their pricing structure. These businesses are not selling easily available (or at least not locally available) products and the business of importing is infinitely more complex than what you may realize - I speak under correction as you may be quite knowledgeable on the subject, and I'm just assuming that, like most of us, you have very little experience in this area. To say that importing is a pain in the backside would be the understatement of the century

As @Mike has said, in the end we have to respect their businesses or "vote with our wallets" if we don't. The only other alternative (besides bitching about it) would be to get into the business yourself - a form a DIY, if you will

I think we are extremely fortunate to have as much choice as we do locally and that none of us need to deal with the headache of importing - I gladly pay a premium and/or shop around for that reason alone

 

[rogue zombie]

@Viper_SA


The problem with businesses that import stuff from all over the world is that they all operate differently. Therefore there is a difference in their pricing structure. These businesses are not selling easily available (or at least not locally available) products and the business of importing is infinitely more complex than what you may realize - I speak under correction as you may be quite knowledgeable on the subject, and I'm just assuming that, like most of us, you have very little experience in this area. To say that importing is a pain in the backside would be the understatement of the century

And I can imagine DIY has an extra dimension in that you have no assurance a particular flavour will sell. So imagine bringing in litres of Mary Jane TFA and one 10ml bottle gets sold. I'd crack.

 

[UnholyMunk]

This turned out rather yummy.

A Pink Lemonade of sorts

Sweet Rasberry 8%
Lemon Lime 5%
Vanilla Swirl 3%

All TFA

The lemon lime is gorgeous!

I made a Vanilla Raspberry Cupcake which is similar to this, and it's turned out to be a winner! I used this recipe as inspiration

TFA Vanilla Cupcake 6%
TFA Sweet Raspberry 5%
TFA Sweet Cream 4%
TFA Lemon & Lime 1%
TFA Berry Crunch 2%

The Raspberry/Lemon & Lime Combo works a treat, but I'd consider dropping the lemon/lime to just a few drops per mix, as it overpowers things very very easily!

 

[UnholyMunk]

Another Lemon/Lime experiment I tried...

TFA Orange Cream 8%
TFA Lemon & Lime 2%
TFA Sweet Cream 5%
TFA Fruit Circles 1%

Drop the lemon/lime by 1% if you want the orange to shine through more, but this is something I could see being vaped on a hot summers day.... It was refreshing without the need for koolada/menthol

 

[UnholyMunk]

I've read this Mustard Milk (named after its creator) is supposedly brilliant, while being simple to make:

Strawberry (TFA) 6%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA) 8%

You can read on reddit all about why fizzmustard says this is such a great mix.
I will be mixing it on the weekend, and will report back.

I made this, with 10% TFA Ripe Strawberry and 10% Vanilla Bean I/C, and the taste is AWESOME!

If you like you Melinda's Nilla Custard, then this one is for you! It has the distinct Melinda's taste, but with strawberry.

 

[rogue zombie]

I made a Vanilla Raspberry Cupcake which is similar to this, and it's turned out to be a winner! I used this recipe as inspiration

TFA Vanilla Cupcake 6%
TFA Sweet Raspberry 5%
TFA Sweet Cream 4%
TFA Lemon & Lime 1%
TFA Berry Crunch 2%

The Raspberry/Lemon & Lime Combo works a treat, but I'd consider dropping the lemon/lime to just a few drops per mix, as it overpowers things very very easily!

Ah thank you for this! I have all them flavours

But are you not getting that sour'y burnt taste from the lemon lime?

 

[UnholyMunk]

Ah thank you for this! I have all them flavours

But are you not getting that sour'y burnt taste from the lemon lime?

I am, but I've found with this mix it's not so bad actually. I am still trying to figure out how to get rid of the Sour/burnt taste, so my next batch of lemon/lime I'm gonna put some Apple Cider Vinegar to the mix to see if it helps.

 

[rogue zombie]

I am, but I've found with this mix it's not so bad actually. I am still trying to figure out how to get rid of the Sour/burnt taste, so my next batch of lemon/lime I'm gonna put some Apple Cider Vinegar to the mix to see if it helps.

Okay good.

I read that it has something to do with that it has Vitamin B and something else in it, that causes that.

 

[rogue zombie]

Howzit guys came tried a new recipe yesterday came out really nice, but i would like it to be better if you guys can test it and maybe add your feedback it will be much appreciated.

Raspberry (TFA) - 10%
Lemon & Lime (CAP) - 5%
2 drops of EM per 10 ml

Where did you get CAP lemon lime?
I was trying to create a Pink Lemonade too, but the TFA Lemon Lime doesn't work for me.

 

[kbgvirus]

Howzit guys, tried a new recipe yesterday came out really nice, but i would like it to be better if you guys can test it and maybe add your feedback it will be much appreciated.

Raspberry (TFA) - 10%
Lemon & Lime (CAP) - 5%
2 drops of EM per 10 ml

 

[kbgvirus]

Where did you get CAP lemon lime?
I was trying to create a Pink Lemonade too, but the TFA Lemon Lime doesn't work for me.

Picked it up from Vape Cartel, have a chat to @KieranD has a whole variety of concentrates

 

[rogue zombie]

Howzit guys came tried a new recipe yesterday came out really nice, but i would like it to be better if you guys can test it and maybe add your feedback it will be much appreciated.

Raspberry (TFA) - 10%
Lemon & Lime (CAP) - 5%
2 drops of EM per 10 ml

The only thing I would do to that is add say 3% of Vanilla Swirl. Just to round it off nicely.

 

[Viper_SA]

I made this, with 10% TFA Ripe Strawberry and 10% Vanilla Bean I/C, and the taste is AWESOME!

If you like you Melinda's Nilla Custard, then this one is for you! It has the distinct Melinda's taste, but with strawberry.

Got both these flavors, so far not a fan of the Ripe strawberry. Will give this a go and see if my tastebuds have taken a liking to vanilla yet. Was considering this with passion fruit or guava, but I'll try this first. Anyone have an idea for a lemonade base using tfa lemon/lime? Want to give a passion fruit/lemonade a shot with lots of koolada for cane

 

[Viper_SA]

Got both these flavors, so far not a fan of the Ripe strawberry. Will give this a go and see if my tastebuds have taken a liking to vanilla yet. Was considering this with passion fruit or guava, but I'll try this first. Anyone have an idea for a lemonade base using tfa lemon/lime? Want to give a passion fruit/lemonade a shot with lots of koolada for cane

Just whipped up a 0mg sample of this. Amazing! Think I used too little vanilla in previous mixes. Thanx for the recipe. Just chucked the 10/10% flavor in with pure VG, no PG. Might up the flavor to 12% for a max VG juice. Really liking it, thanks people. This is what I ha hoped this thread would bring about, some great new ideas and easy recipes

Chucking it at 0.2 ohm in the CLT v3 on a Vanilla mech right now, it's quite foggy in here........